POLL: No more giving finger to the camera?

[staygold]

Is it just me or this finger thing is also banned now?

It was so hot and sexy when girls showed the finger like "fuck you dude for watching this" at the end of a scene. Trademark legalporno style.
Now it is replaced with stupid waving hands like hello or closeups or whatever. Why?

Please bring "the finger" back!

[Pissing]

I wasn't so charmed but this finger thing.....
I rather have the woman show her open asshole.

[Pissing]

the bitch should open her ass and pussy and look into the camera and say
fuck you bitch ill never get married
the bitch should grab a dildo and ass fuck her self as she says i love my man
please dont ever let him see this video please

Yeah, that's even better !

[odysseusrex]

Why at the end of good sex do you want a girl to signal she didn't like it/doesn't like you?

I want her feeling pretty pleased with herself for doing what not many girls can do, for showing herself off to the camera in ways that will make everyone watching horny, and for just being a damn fine slut (meant as high praise!).

I want her to show that feeling, not resentment, defiance or 'fear of exposure'. So that means smiling, maybe even going around high-fiving the entire crew, not giving the finger to them/to us.

And maybe a post-mortem like on [a certain kink site], where she says how she felt and what was intense.

[staygold]

Why at the end of good sex do you want a girl to signal she didn't like it/doesn't like you?

Because it is unusual, emotional and cool. It was in LP/Sineplex movies originally and I don't understand the reason they removed it. I want girls to react and I see that you also like it. You just got it all wrong. Look what Giorgio once said:

I think porn is a emotional purchase.

Giving a finger is that emotion. It is slutty, spicy and yet no other studio does that! It really shows (or at least imitates) that the girl is involved in action.
It is not resentment, defiance or 'fear of exposure' at all! This gesture, the finger, is the first step, the original trademark of LP success.
Ah and if you want plain smiling, those "goodbye-kisses" or waving hello go watch vanilla porn, there's plenty of it out there.

[odysseusrex]

Why at the end of good sex do you want a girl to signal she didn't like it/doesn't like you?

Because it is unusual, emotional and cool. It was in LP/Sineplex movies originally and I don't understand the reason they removed it. I want girls to react and I see that you also like it. You just got it all wrong. Look what Giorgio once said:

I think porn is a emotional purchase.

Giving a finger is that emotion. It is slutty, spicy and yet no other studio does that! It really shows (or at least imitates) that the girl is involved in action.

Giorgio is talking about the purchaser, not the girl. His quote is irrelevant to your point.
I think we can all agree that the girl is involved in the action - she's just had multiple cocks inside all her holes ferchrissakes!
Contrary to what you say, I think giving the finger suggests the girl is distancing herself from and rejecting what she's just done - whereas I want her to own the scene and be proud of it!

It is not resentment, defiance or 'fear of exposure' at all! This gesture, the finger, is the first step, the original trademark of LP success.
Ah and if you want plain smiling, those "goodbye-kisses" or waving hello go watch vanilla porn, there's plenty of it out there.

Then the original trademark is shit.
A girl high-fiving the crew would not be plain smiling! The girl being belittled by the director at the end is far too common in porn. I don't like it, and I don't want girls to have to react to it. I want them to buzzing and ready for more.

[staygold]

^ I'm also talking about the purchaser. IMO more positive emotions and enthusiasm from girls -> more enthusiasm from customers -> more purchases. It's like this.

I also think that to be involved means to show enthusiasm rather than just to be there for the sake of appearance. Some girls fail hard when it comes to emotions and enthusiasm, and that's a common problem with modern porn.

I would argue more but I don't see any point. With that said, I still find "the finger" quite a random, positive, and naughty thing. And you don't. Tastes differ. The devil is in the details. We both understand that, but for me it is "the finger", for you it is "high-five". For somebody else it is a girl saying "fuck you bitch ill never get married". The problem is that now I barely observe any of these actions, words or gestures happening as a short, timely alternative to penetration (which is quite splendid and exciting if you ask me)

[dap-addict]

I like both - the waveing goodbye and the finger.
It actually to a great extent depends on the girl and the prior action.
I find that "fuck you for watching that!"-middle finger thing just naughty. Its nothing to do with the girl detaching herself from that scene, I mean she gets heavily involved anyway, and its also clear she does it in order to earn money. It just sums that all up: She doesnt give a shitmuch about her fans and he, her fans, dont give much about her. She is just an entertainment worker for us, we pay her to provide us, thats all.
Nothing wrong as long as we dont forget that there are human beings with their own dreams and feelings behind - just like everybody of us.

The waveing bye end, on the other hand, is smoother, more vanilla, just nicer. But not raunchy enough for a certain kind of scenes.
I guess staygold knows what I wanna say!

[BoobJesus]

I love the finger at the end and wish it were featured in every LP vid. The lovely Jessi Empera did it in her latest scene from a little less than two weeks ago (that actually may be my all-time favorite middle finger part out of every LP vid I've seen! Also, I love the way she says 'Fuck you!' in her Latvian accent) so I don't think the finger giving thing is over yet—it's just something that hasn't ever been done consistently 'round here.

[mrhooha]

I like the finger. Better yet I'd like to see them do "horns." Nothing says "I'm a fucking slut" like the horns do.

[odysseusrex]

I like both - the waveing goodbye and the finger.
It actually to a great extent depends on the girl and the prior action.
I find that "fuck you for watching that!"-middle finger thing just naughty. It's nothing to do with the girl detaching herself from that scene, I mean she gets heavily involved anyway, and its also clear she does it in order to earn money. It just sums that all up: She doesn't give a shitmuch about her fans and he, her fans, don't give much about her. She is just an entertainment worker for us, we pay her to provide us, that's all.
Nothing wrong as long as we don't forget that there are human beings with their own dreams and feelings behind - just like everybody of us.

I don't know about you but I work for the money and because I take pride in what I do. I'd rather watch girls who do give a shit about their fans, and I care that she's getting something out of it too, or at least is happy enough performing for the paycheque. Personally, I want her to be glad I'm seeing her being a total slut because she's damn good at it, I don't want her telling me 'fuck you'!
We all know that girls can experience stigma after working in porn (well in western Europe/US, I don't know what it's like in CZ/SLV/Russia), so being 'just an entertainment worker for us' makes her something disposable, and that is rather worrying if everyone thinks that and she can't get on with her life afterwards. Hopefully it can be her naughty secret and she can get on with life afterwards. So I'm interested how you can say 'we, her fans, don't give much about her... we pay her to provide, that's all' but then say 'as long as we don't forget that they are human beings with their own dreams and feelings'? Isn't that a contradiction? Especially given the industry the girls are working in? I'm not trying to be judgemental, just interested in how you see it.

The waveing bye end, on the other hand, is smoother, more vanilla, just nicer. But not raunchy enough for a certain kind of scenes.
I guess staygold knows what I wanna say!

Waving is good if it shows 'I enjoyed myself and I'm still up for more'. If it means 'the director told me to do this, can I have a shower now?' then it's crap. If she gargles cum and swallows instead, so much the better!
Yeah, I should have been more polite to staygold.

[Phoenix2000]

The cool thing about LP is that each studio has its styles of farewells.
Me, I find it erotic when women flip the audience the "fuck you" birdie. I mean, after everything they've been through in a scene (cock in ass, ass pumping, gape, atm, etc.) They deserve the bragging rights!
I also enjoy women who kiss and wave to the camera, they make it seem like big cocks in ass are nothing, and hint at a next time.
+1 middle finger to the camera

[laura.]

The cool thing about LP is that each studio has its styles of farewells.
Me, I find it erotic when women flip the audience the "fuck you" birdie. I mean, after everything they've been through in a scene (cock in ass, ass pumping, gape, atm, etc.) They deserve the bragging rights!
I also enjoy women who kiss and wave to the camera, they make it seem like big cocks in ass are nothing, and hint at a next time.
+1 middle finger to the camera

This. +10000 couldn't have said it any better myself. Love the attitude, brazenness and outright cheek - it's horny x

[dap-addict]

So I'm interested how you can say 'we, her fans, don't give much about her... we pay her to provide, that's all' but then say 'as long as we don't forget that they are human beings with their own dreams and feelings'? Isn't that a contradiction? Especially given the industry the girls are working in? I'm not trying to be judgemental, just interested in how you see it.

Your refrence is out of context, odysseus!
I was referring to the middle finger ending and the underlying message. There is no contradiction if you know my posts and what I generally stand for. I think we fans should hold those girls high and respect their choice, but not mix the porn fantasy pic with porn production reality, including possible stigmatisation. Thus finally granting porn a simple entertainment industry status would make things easier for everybody involved - because hands down, what else is it?!

Besides: Read what Giorgio wrote today about phantasy and frigidity! Bingo!

[odysseusrex]

Your refrence is out of context, odysseus!
I was referring to the middle finger ending and the underlying message. There is no contradiction if you know my posts and what I generally stand for. I think we fans should hold those girls high and respect their choice, but not mix the porn fantasy pic with porn production reality, including possible stigmatisation. Thus finally granting porn a simple entertainment industry status would make things easier for everybody involved - because hands down, what else is it?!

Besides: Read what Giorgio wrote today about phantasy and frigidity! Bingo!

If it's the 'just enjoy the video and don't think about it' quote, well, I take it a bit more seriously. Porn won't become a simple entertainment industry unless people actually can cross in and out of it without stigma. That means professional behaviour and respect between people within the industry, so that they can demand it of people outside the industry.

Anyway: I like girls to assert themselves after being fucked by lots of guys, but am not sure it should be by giving fans the finger.
Think of it like a footballer scoring a goal - he goes over to the fans and celebrates what he has done with them, he doesn't give them the finger!

Actually, maybe the girls should each do their own trademark goal scoring dances at the end of a scene! That would be funny!

[dap-addict]

Odysses, I wrote the fellowing:

I find that "fuck you for watching that!"-middle finger thing just naughty. It's nothing to do with the girl detaching herself from that scene, I mean she gets heavily involved anyway, and its also clear she does it in order to earn money. It just sums that all up: She doesn't give a shitmuch about her fans and he, her fans, don't give much about her.

I wrote it because in a poll I did about how much we all LP fans do really care for the girls performing those sex acts for us, 50% voted "not at all". I think after this its the right reaction. The girl does her job for money, the fans enjoy the product and most just wanna get off to it. Of course you always have the other 50%, but a minority of them really cares.

In this society porn will of course never become the same entertainment as sports or mainstream films, I never claimed that. Its entertainment still, with actresses and actors doing a show for money bascially and all that talk about them really loveing the fans and really being soooo nasty and depraved persons is mostly bs - and only really naive fans dont get that.

And finally: Its not about within industry respect, it just reflects respect and the lack of in the world outside. Thus dont preach, please!

[staygold]

Poll added. Please cast your vote

[Phoenix2000]

the finger is an LP signature!!!
i voted for the first 2 "YES"
if theirs a way to add stuff in between, DO IT! *Fingers UP*

[odysseusrex]

I wrote it because in a poll I did about how much we all LP fans do really care for the girls performing those sex acts for us, 50% voted "not at all".

In this society porn will of course never become the same entertainment as sports or mainstream films, I never claimed that. Its entertainment still, with actresses and actors doing a show for money bascially and all that talk about them really loveing the fans and really being soooo nasty and depraved persons is mostly bs - and only really naive fans dont get that.

And finally: Its not about within industry respect, it just reflects respect and the lack of in the world outside. Thus dont preach, please!

Given the difficulties girls can have after porn, I'm disgusted by the 50% who voted "not at all". But girls implying "fuck you right back" doesn't strike me as bringing us forward.
What you said was 'granting porn a simple entertainment status would make things easier for everyone involved' - I agree, I was just saying it's not going to happen while Giorgio is writing in the quote you referred to that "you'll never know what bitches your favourite actresses really are", and while girls are apparently not approaching their shoots professionally as part of a career. That's what I meant by respect, I wasn't trying to preach to anyone else!

[vincenoir75]

Bring it back!

[rollin_dubs187]

Why does th is thread exist

[DoubleOrNothing]

Add talking. And not in broken English. Let the girls talk in their native language.

[staygold]

So the whole idea is pretty much obvious. We need this. Plus, as the poll shows, we need even more than this.

in a poll I did about how much we all LP fans do really care for the girls performing those sex acts for us, 50% voted "not at all".

I'm disgusted by the 50% who voted "not at all".

I agree, the "NO" option needs reasons and explanation as well, otherwise we should not even consider it. There are trolls, bots or whoever voting NO for no reason.

Here we've got lots of positive feedback from respected members, yet there is only one argument against (resentment, fear etc) which was proven wrong many times: don't take things too seriously, porn is just fiction. That being said, I'm curious to listen to the "silent minority" who voted NO.

[staygold]

[Iddaoeeok]

Add talking. And not in broken English. Let the girls talk in their native language.

I've always been in favour of this but it doesn't seem popular with porn producers.

[staygold]

^
Look, Sineplex brought in those talkative American girls <url removed>

Sounds lame and annoying, much like those US movies from julesjordan where they are constantly talking bullshit.

Giving the finger would be way better, if you ask me.

[Perenini]

I do not like it. I prefer actresses kiss the actors at the end and at other times the scene.

[staygold]

I prefer actresses kiss the actors at the end and at other times the scene.

Have you seen slow and deliberate m/f kissing in any LP movie? In general? It's mostly taboo, I think, almost no one does this

[Perenini]

I prefer actresses kiss the actors at the end and at other times the scene.

Have you seen slow and deliberate m/f kissing in any LP movie? In general? It's mostly taboo, I think, almost no one does this

Actresses kissed each other actresses in the LP. It's happened to men, but it was very little. It is something still rare in LP.

[asterix67000]

I'm Tina Kay and I approve this message !!!

[staygold]

So did anyone actually see this in any new videos / trailers?