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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby Kriss1986 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:44 pm

kidloco2 wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Dont see this 40% really.


Easily a scene for 3-3.5 TKT, look, you guys talk here about actors' rates, but IMHO savings lies in making a better production value out of what you actually have being able to produce scenes for less money. Salaries remain the same (actually they went up, good for them).

The highest impact on production value have actors, then sex action and production team skills. All other things
can be to shrunken to absolutely bare minimum spending. And I can 100% assure you, this is absolutely possible.

What I'm talking about is LP to add one or two new studios that can make these kind of savings while maintaining LP quality.

You know what? Porn was always somewhat expensive hobby, but everytime only until a new platform came out on the market, which ultimately dropped prices for the amount of content you got.
Probably time will tell, but it was always like that (paper mags -> VHS -> DVD -> VoD -> Monthly membs-> Flatrates -> PPV/Lifetime downloads/unlimited streaming -> ??? )


You have your own opinion, others have their opinions and in reality LP can dictate the prices and I bet they know it. As long as LP will earn sufficient amount of $$ they will not cut costs just to provide us cheaper scenes and make us more happy, that's the truth.
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby kidloco2 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:29 pm

Kriss1986 wrote:As long as LP will earn sufficient amount of $$ they will not cut costs just to provide us cheaper scenes and make us more happy, that's the truth.


I know (see above), but just because of that (among other things) it makes me nuts. I hate greed and wasting of whatever resources since I personally know what producing LP like porn cost. IMHO current price of IV, Gonzo and GG studio doesn't really reflect just production costs + reasonable commissions to make business growing. It makes me mad when I see that something could be better with the same amount of money spent.

Please, take note above, that I say that Gonzo and GG studios don't need to make scenes cheaper and honestly it will stay like that as you wrote for different reasons which I don't want to disclose. Keeping current trend of rising prices esp. with these two studios certainly won't work in the long term (like xxx says he's not happy with the amount of content you get for your money), technically it won't be possible to make so much better scenes accordingly and competition will have ultimately better money/value ratio. IMHO sooner or later xxx have to come up with something new to keep customers. LP grown so much big that solely 2 great studios won't keep income, because the scene price would have to be so high not covering up for the given content.
Honestly what do you have now to offer to the customer at almost THE best anal porn site in the world? Just two good studios pulling the whole truck. What else? Not much, IV very average without its own invention (just using the same girls LP serves) with little prod costs but price of a Mercedes, other studios dead.
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby Kriss1986 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:15 pm

kidloco2 wrote:
Kriss1986 wrote:As long as LP will earn sufficient amount of $$ they will not cut costs just to provide us cheaper scenes and make us more happy, that's the truth.


I know (see above), but just because of that (among other things) it makes me nuts. I hate greed and wasting of whatever resources since I personally know what producing LP like porn cost. IMHO current price of IV, Gonzo and GG studio doesn't really reflect just production costs + reasonable commissions to make business growing. It makes me mad when I see that something could be better with the same amount of money spent.

Please, take note above, that I say that Gonzo and GG studios don't need to make scenes cheaper and honestly it will stay like that as you wrote for different reasons which I don't want to disclose. Keeping current trend of rising prices esp. with these two studios certainly won't work in the long term (like xxx says he's not happy with the amount of content you get for your money), technically it won't be possible to make so much better scenes accordingly and competition will have ultimately better money/value ratio. IMHO sooner or later xxx have to come up with something new to keep customers. LP grown so much big that solely 2 great studios won't keep income, because the scene price would have to be so high not covering up for the given content.
Honestly what do you have now to offer to the customer at almost THE best anal porn site in the world? Just two good studios pulling the whole truck. What else? Not much, IV very average without its own invention (just using the same girls LP serves) with little prod costs but price of a Mercedes, other studios dead.


You are right and in most cases we agree. Also a lot of us see what could be better in LP. From other side we also should be happy to have such place like LP where we can get a lot of nice stuff. Lately LP constantly raised prices for videos it's true but still money/content ratio is more than acceptable. In longer time perspective it might be issue because there always is border when customers will say "no fucking way". I'm with you that GG and Gonzo plus weak IV (as addition) starting to be insufficient. LP needs at least one studio more, I mean studio at GG and Gonzo level.
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby kidloco2 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:43 am

Kriss1986 wrote:You are right and in most cases we agree. Also a lot of us see what could be better in LP. From other side we also should be happy to have such place like LP where we can get a lot of nice stuff. Lately LP constantly raised prices for videos it's true but still money/content ratio is more than acceptable. In longer time perspective it might be issue because there always is border when customers will say "no fucking way". I'm with you that GG and Gonzo plus weak IV (as addition) starting to be insufficient. LP needs at least one studio more, I mean studio at GG and Gonzo level.


Agreed. :)
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby Kriss1986 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:55 pm

kidloco2 wrote:
Kriss1986 wrote:You are right and in most cases we agree. Also a lot of us see what could be better in LP. From other side we also should be happy to have such place like LP where we can get a lot of nice stuff. Lately LP constantly raised prices for videos it's true but still money/content ratio is more than acceptable. In longer time perspective it might be issue because there always is border when customers will say "no fucking way". I'm with you that GG and Gonzo plus weak IV (as addition) starting to be insufficient. LP needs at least one studio more, I mean studio at GG and Gonzo level.


Agreed. :)


Good :). So now we have to wait until LP will hear our suggestions ;).
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby croydonparking » Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:26 am

twistedvincent wrote:Why, Why, Why??
7-26-2015 Sperma Party - (Ultra Hot)Ria Sun - DAP Gangbang - 3.1 tickets
6-24-2017 Anal Endurance - (average hot)Sasha Zima DAP - 5.5 Tickets!!!

You're great Giorgio but WTF???


And now we pay 12-13 tickets per 1/2 scene Ie 24 tickets per full scene. That’s 2 scenes a month. Before with free scenes, free tkts I was getting 80 scenes a month now I have 2.

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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby dap-addict » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:25 am

croydon, where have you been last 3,5mt? ;)
I repost this here because exactly 5y later it still reads so actual: :(
Giorgio Grandi wrote:I did not want to answer you, because I do not think this is a topic, but really Im too sick today.

I recently shot a scene with Ria very similar to her Sperma party from 2015, here few data for you:

Performers:
Model payout / agency fees +35%
Boys payout + 25%

Location:
The cost of location/accommodation and anything concerning this is increased from 2015 to 2016 of 50%, now in 2017, moving into a new facility we save probably 5-10% comparing to last year

Technology:
The Sperma Party has been shot with a camera that costed me about 4000usd, now I shoot with a camera camera that costed me over 20000usd. The post production requires more time and more expensive technology.

Organization:
In 2015 I did not have any fixed employee except the editor, now I have 3 + several "continuous collaborators"

General expenses:
I dont have a stat for 2017, but between 2015 and 2016 the general expenses of my company that produces content for LP increases of about 35%.

Then, another consideration (the more important). Be aware that from 2005 to 2015 the payout for models basically did not increase at all (if you compare a salary of a mason in Czech Republic increased of about 30% in that time). This brought to a decrease of the new model recruited in Cz.

As we run a model agency as well, we are trying to increase the payout for the girls as it should (and its hard). Even if Russia and Ukraine are the poorest, to recruit girls is more difficult in 2017 then 2015, there are no doubts about it. Even the cost of VISA is almost the double from 2015 and the not approved visa, border issues and all the bullshits concerning the trip organization are increase madly (I dont have a stat about this, but I think we talk about 150-200% more on monthly base.

I know what you are going to answer so I already answer you: to keep things as they were means dying. In 2017 I benefited from of a pool for of girls already performing, in the next years we had to invest somewhere else for keep a source of girls.

Other point: is very correct that payout of models increase as they get experience and they keep selling, its a simply market rule.

Few considerations:
We do not two squander money, if you consider that we have as car a citoen cactus bought in Sept. 2014 and a skoda octavia (bought used on Jan 2016)
Im sick since June 19, but Im forced to work taking Paracetamol every 4 hours for keep going because I need to shoot content in advance because I fucking want to go in holiday and spend time with my kids and keep releasing content.

Produce high quality porn cost and keep producing constantly cost more. Back in 2005 a DVD with 4 scenes as we produce not would cost smt like 40-50 euro, on LP still cost you the half.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I add another consideration about USA girls:
If you consider payout of model, agency fees, travel, accommodation the "total cost" of the performer increases over 200% (at least for me), but where the fuck you can find a scene like GIO399 or SZ1569 or SZ1623 (for nominate also smt from other studios)? No where.

LP producer for the most content that no one even try to emulate because a "pure" membership system wont be able to support the investment.

Also let me add 1 new development: Travel costs from Russia to Prague have increased 600% in 6mt!
:mad:
This said ofc prices have become hight and porn has become a somewhat expensive hobby.
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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby croydonparking » Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:30 am

dap-addict wrote:croydon, where have you been last 3,5mt? ;)
This said ofc prices have become hight and porn has become a somewhat expensive hobby.


Haha made a few scenes for private use. Yes expensive unless it’s free! Meanwhile the American sites I know are now cheaper a certain one does ONLY creampies to other girls mouth 6 scenes a month 2 girl one guy.

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Re: Ticket Prices Out Of Control

Postby dap-addict » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:44 am

In that case maybe better stick to US sites instead of moaning here and getting frustrated. ;)


Btw, looks like for many GIO scenes tkt price is down to rather +25% from initially +35%.
Might be better tactic to compensate higher investments due to basic costs and higher girls and studs fees but still sell a decent number of scenes.
Items sold went down after changes for all studios. Its natural reaction by users. Clue is to balance lost numbers with increased brutto $ influx.
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