Giorgio... :(

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Postby 2017sucks » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:06 am

Hi Giorgio, I'm your ex biggest fan. But now it's like you died for me. Still remember good old times when if I was online at midnight, was checking same second when updates came out, what's new from you. But last few months no need for that, it's dissapointment after dissapointment. And that's because you became indescribable boring with using same girls over and over again. Also because missed a chance to shoot Megan Rain gangbang for example, just because she wasn't ready for DAP. And few weeks after that you shoot some 5 on 1 scene without DAP. Also, you even shooted some 2 on 1 scenes without DAP. Also, you missed a chance to shoot surely the best scene in history of porn with Veronica Avluv when she was in Gonzo studio. She done few TP's for them. And she was ready to shoot even pissing. You could shoot at least 1 scene with her with all nasty things. And not to mention some terrible decisions to shoot multi-girl scenes with superstars like Amirah Adara (with Sasha Zima) and Jasmine Jae (with Monika Wild) and both of those superstars previously had just 1 scene at you. Why not shooted more 5 on 1, 7 on 1, 10 on 1 with Amirah, Jasmine? Lol man, we all almost know how internal organs of Monika Wild look like. Also, you have solid number of scenes with Sasha Zima.
And where are superstars who shooted some scenes for you but last one published long, long time ago? For example Isabella Clark, Victoria Daniels, Lola Taylor, Silvia Dellai, Eveline Dellai...? Why don't want to shoot superstars like Blanche Bradburry, Lola Bulgari, Jessi Empera, Cherry Kiss...? And yes, the biggest dissapointment is still and always will be your stubbornness about Julmodels. But thaere's interesting thing, you actually shooted Luna Corazon (for me convincingly least attractive from all of them). And in same time don't want to shoot Lovenia Lux, Kitana Lure (just 1 scene at you, looooooooong time ago) and of course Henessy. So, every time when I see Luna Corazon, feel so cheated and spited from you.
And of course, most important of all, man, you killed me with Madison Lush, Monika Wild, Selvaggia, Jureka Del Mar, Charlote Sartre, Kira Thorn (adore her, by the way), Gabriella (adore her too)... but lol, as I said already, we all almost know their internal organs. And special chapter who pissed me off the most is that actually you add some new girls on your list, like Nicole Black and Kira Roller recently. But then, you just "ban" temporary 2-3 girls from your standard list and start be so boring with those newbies instead of them.
I know that you care for money and only for money. So, why not simply make a reality show 24/7 with Jureka, Selvaggia, Monika, Kira, Gabriella, Charlotte... shooting them non-stop... eating, going in toilet, sleeping, talking... and few times monthly bring the boys for sex? I'm sure that still will be enough people to pay you and you can still run the businees normally. But in same time you would make a space on LP for new studio(s) and more creative directors, who can use much more girls, in other words, to be like you in good old times. Do you remember? Different girls, sexy lingerie, more often pissing scenes - Kitana lure, Rita Rush, Luna Oara, Lindsey Olsen, Claudia Mac, Barra Brass... those were days.
You always will live in my memories, always will remember how good (THE BEST) director you was. Wish you all the best in next year, but really don't expect anything from you, know that you will not change anything.
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Postby teammelee15 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:57 pm

I LOVE GG's work but I have to agree that it's getting really old watching the same unattractive girls do the same stuff over and over. Granted they do the most hardcore/nasty stuff in porn but their just so damn plain and boring. Hard to look past that. And on top of that doing the same stuff that they have already done 3+ scenes ago. I will disagree with you on putting Charlotte in this category though she is amazing so not sure why you would compare her to Selvaggia,Gabriella, etc. who are the worst. Where are the days where he would come out with a new random girl every week? Idk maybe they are selling good but the wife and I are going back to older scenes to re-watch because the latest stuff is just not doing it for her or I anymore. :rolleyes:
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Postby avanfurwet » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:14 am

Everyone has their own tastes and each girl has her admirers.

Some may think that GG shoots more with his regular troupe than they want, but he knows his own business - he can shoot who he wants and customers can buy it, or not. Ultimately the business will rise or fall by its sales, and the most popular girls will sell the most.

For balance in the thread, over the last 6 months GG has also released a variety of scenes with many visiting girls, including but not limited to, and in no particular order;

Newbies:

Nicole Black
Amina Danger
Scyley Jam
Monica Brown


Established stars:

Charlotte Sartre
Dominica Phoenix
Angel Smalls
July Sun
Ria Sun
Brittany Bardot
Luna Corazon
Tina Kay
May Thai
Sasha Zima
Jasmine Jae
Evelina Darling
Crystal Greenvelle
Luca Bella
etc.

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Postby kidloco2 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:46 am

I don't agree on most points with OP.
But there's one thing I've observed between Gonzo and GG studio.
Both repeat over and over their scene recipes, while Gonzo still looks fresh with every new scene, GG looks more and more boring even while
bringing more hardcore stuff that I like!


I'm asking myself why is that? My guess is while Gonzo keeps doing the same thing, they have more variety with girls and every scene is a kind of new remix of old and known, with GG I never expect to see a new girl (which is 99% tru) and I almost exactly know what will be the next move or position in the actual scene (it's over repetitive).
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Postby kidloco2 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:48 am

By the way in this case, the scene suggestions thread was extremely helpful but seems this idea is already dead.
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Postby Iddaoeeok » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:06 pm

avanfurwet wrote:Everyone has their own tastes and each girl has her admirers.


Exactly, the original poster likes Jasmine Jae(!) while the likes of Monika Wild, Selvaggia and Gabriella are described as unattractive(!!)

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Postby shaqabc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:51 pm

Just one more scene with Evelina Darling.

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Postby Kriss1986 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:42 pm

kidloco2 wrote:I don't agree on most points with OP.
But there's one thing I've observed between Gonzo and GG studio.
Both repeat over and over their scene recipes, while Gonzo still looks fresh with every new scene, GG looks more and more boring even while
bringing more hardcore stuff that I like!


I'm asking myself why is that? My guess is while Gonzo keeps doing the same thing, they have more variety with girls and every scene is a kind of new remix of old and known, with GG I never expect to see a new girl (which is 99% tru) and I almost exactly know what will be the next move or position in the actual scene (it's over repetitive).


GG found proper recipe and now makes his scenes in accordance with it. I don't see nothing wrong with that, even if we can guess next moves, positions etc. Based on popularity of his scenes and considering the fact that at this moment he is the best of all LP directors his choices seems to be correct. About the models he answered multiple times and explained why he decide for particular girls. Sure it would be nice to see different girls than established crew but elaborates like first post in this thread are exaggerated.
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Postby Magoo8 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:38 am

visigoth2020111 wrote:who in their right mind will grave 10 girls and make a 1000 scenes with them
and to make it worse they look and dress the same all the time and the same group of guys
and there is no expectation as we already know them as we do our girlfriends and wives
and he gave up the acting part that would have given them more air time.
when you work for money you work for your self.

there is something seriously wrong with GG
have we created a monster we our demands ?
have he gone mad ?
we want the old GG back
we love GG best hard core in the net

you are treating this girls as if they were princes but they are whores replaceable whores
and the more replaceable they are the sweeter they are let them go to other studios
to make other people happy
I Agree, and not only the same girls (I really like Selvaggia and Kira) the very same scenes, man!!! Why not a over the dirt (old style) with Selvaggia and Kira Roller??? Try suggest page!!! Selvaggia and Kira Roller soaking wet are terrible, and girls can do very well, but GG don´t! WTF! Try something OLD like Over the dirt, KREME, PMAO, Milk Enemas, Vegetables or a really big black guy like Dredd for anal!

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Postby Magoo8 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:41 pm

kidloco2 wrote:By the way in this case, the scene suggestions thread was extremely helpful but seems this idea is already dead.
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Postby drevokocur66 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:41 pm

Magoo8 wrote:
visigoth2020111 wrote:who in their right mind will grave 10 girls and make a 1000 scenes with them
and to make it worse they look and dress the same all the time and the same group of guys
and there is no expectation as we already know them as we do our girlfriends and wives
and he gave up the acting part that would have given them more air time.
when you work for money you work for your self.

there is something seriously wrong with GG
have we created a monster we our demands ?
have he gone mad ?
we want the old GG back
we love GG best hard core in the net

you are treating this girls as if they were princes but they are whores replaceable whores
and the more replaceable they are the sweeter they are let them go to other studios
to make other people happy
I Agree, and not only the same girls (I really like Selvaggia and Kira) the very same scenes, man!!! Why not a over the dirt (old style) with Selvaggia and Kira Roller??? Try suggest page!!! Selvaggia and Kira Roller soaking wet are terrible, and girls can do very well, but GG don´t! WTF! Try something OLD like Over the dirt, KREME, PMAO, Milk Enemas, Vegetables or a really big black guy like Dredd for anal!


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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:40 pm

I will answer to you all, but I do not have time today.
Anyway check out the attached girl (today she just got "5on1 welcome to porn" with dp/dap)
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Postby Bummer-Harris » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:57 pm

Gio: The above model is stunning.
I find myself scratching my head as to why you have to throw your new models into a 5on1 situation? Can you start with 2on1's in future? The multiple cock lovers on this site always seem to get plenty of their content supplied.

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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:31 pm

5on1 is more easy then 2 on 1 for the girl... and at now 2on1 is the second scene Im going to shoot with new girls.
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Postby avanfurwet » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:58 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I will answer to you all, but I do not have time today.
Anyway check out the attached girl (today she just got "5on1 welcome to porn" with dp/dap)


Your new girl is lovely! Does she have a name yet?


Giorgio Grandi wrote:5on1 is more easy then 2 on 1 for the girl... and at now 2on1 is the second scene Im going to shoot with new girls.


When you have time to reply, please explain why 5 on 1 is easier for the girl, thanks.

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Postby lambok » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:45 am

Wow that girl looks really beautiful.

Can you be more specific please, why is it easier for girl to take 5 guys?

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Postby bobhart23 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:28 am

I honestly don't understand the complaints here. Not that there is anything wrong with constructive criticism--that's totally fair. But I have to say, think Giorgio is just about the best porn director working right now and I'm consistently excited but his releases. Some people have complained that it's "the same old girls," but to me there's been a lot of variety. And personally speaking, the ones we see the most often are the BEST (which I think many others would agree with me about). Honestly, I never tire of seeing Selvaggia, Gabriella Lati, Anna Rey, Monica Wild, Charlotte Sartre, Rebecca Sharon and many others (also Anya Akulova, Madison Lush--I'm sure I'm forgetting some other great ones). They give great, dirty and exciting performances--that new one with Anna Rey and Dominica Phoenix was amazing.

Sometimes I wonder if people just want ONLY the videos they like ALL the time. Well, there's always going to be some videos that aren't your thing and that's okay. I don't buy every video myself. Personally, I only buy ones with more than one girl and I prefer ones with prolapse licking and ESPECIALLY anal creampie eating. But f course I understand that a lot of people like scenes with just one girl or prefer facials. It might not be my thing but I totally get that and wouldn't dream of complaining about solo girl scenes. As long as we keep getting a good mix--and in my opinion, we are--then I'm happy.

That's just my opinion and I'm not dismissing what other posters have said. They're entitled to their opinions too. Just wanted to write a post in favour of Giorgio to show that not everyone is unhappy with things.

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Postby JediMasterBates » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:44 am

I get some of the complaints, but just one thing. How does anyone find luna corazon unattractive? Like...what?!

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Postby gapefan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:19 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I will answer to you all, but I do not have time today.
Anyway check out the attached girl (today she just got "5on1 welcome to porn" with dp/dap)

What an amazingly beautiful new Double Anal Princess! :eek:

I hope to see many DAP scenes with this stunning young beauty! :)

Thank you for sharing the news Giorgio! :cool:

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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:05 am

You have really a wrong idea of the industry, remember I started shooting "Giorgio Grandi Studio" for LP on January 2015.

Factor - 1
Since 2015 to now, you have to imagine the models as "fish" into a lake (the internet lake). I remember at that time, the fish went directly to the Model Agencies and proposed themselves directly and the agencies where proposing the models to the producers. The model agency was getting profit from producers and investing part of the profit in recruiting of brand new girls (adding new fish to the lake)
In the two years between 2014 and 2016 what I call the "social hookers" started to dig the social network hooking girls and proposing these girls to producers, without to add any new fish to the lake.

Result: less fish in the lake in general


Factor - 2
Lack of "model management" create a "bubble" of models exploited in the wrong way, with the result that is not even worth to shoot them again

Result: part of the available fist in the lake are not "selling" properly


Factor - 3
Lack of "model management" create another "bubble" of models that consider to work "for me" less interesting then work "for others", which is bullshit according to the fact that for most of girls that worked for all the active studios my content are the content with the more consistent sales ratio

Result: less fish available on my table


Factor - 4
The number of model that join the industry decrease year by year. First of all the payout for model did not increase in the last 10 years while the cost of the life is almost 3 time more expensive imho and the price of the membership for an adult website stick in general to 23$ (average) making reach the owner and exploiting models and producers (this is not the case of LP, but a model can not join porn only for LP). On the other side some retard on forum even complain LP is too expensive when in realty he is part of a system that take advantage of girls and he should be ashamed of this

Result: less new fish in the lake

Factor - 5
In the last 3 years we have used almost all the girls available in the industry, even who joined the industry 10 years ago. This gave you the idea of new faces, bu in effect the girls were in the industry long time

Result: we need new fish in the lake

For be more specific to the first post, just about few poins:
-Megan Rain - I dont think she was in europe
-Veronica Avluv - She shot a lot of scenes for Gonzo, whats the reason to shoot her as well again?
-Multi girls scenes: Adara/Zima works perfectly because of the big ass, sales were good, same for other example
-"Why not shooted more 5 on 1, 7 on 1, 10 on 1 with Amirah, Jasmine" because its the same stuff all over and over and I should release something different between each scene for make the scenes you like profitable
-Your personal taste and the result of analysis of most of conversion on forum doesnt match with numbers on sales. If you think that there is users with hundreds of very critic post that never spent a single cent on LP... (not your case probably, we did not check it)


-Overall
if you consider 5 brand new euro girls every month who will join LP, you are not realistic. It means 60 new girls a year that is probably not even the amount of brand new girls that join the industry in europe (not even considering that not every girl does anal and DP, let alone if they do the double anal)
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:23 am

avanfurwet wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:I will answer to you all, but I do not have time today.
Anyway check out the attached girl (today she just got "5on1 welcome to porn" with dp/dap)


Your new girl is lovely! Does she have a name yet?


Giorgio Grandi wrote:5on1 is more easy then 2 on 1 for the girl... and at now 2on1 is the second scene Im going to shoot with new girls.


When you have time to reply, please explain why 5 on 1 is easier for the girl, thanks.


5on1 comparing with 2on1 gives to the girl a less intense acting because the boys change more often the position (so she has time to "breathe/relax" between one boy and the others fucking her ass).
On the 2on1 the action if more continue and more intense, so its harder to handle.
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Postby 2017sucks » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:29 pm

OK, I waited on you Giorgio and now it's time to write again.

No, I don't expect 60 new girls in year, that's insane of course. I also asked why you don't shoot some girls who already shooted for you, but last scene published long, long time ago. And gave you some names...

"Isabella Clark, Victoria Daniels, Lola Taylor, Silvia Dellai, Eveline Dellai..." And there are more of course... Eva Berger, Francesca DiCaprio and more and more... hmmm, are we getting into Julmodels thing again? :rolleyes: Yeah, you avoid to answer on Luna Corazon - the rest of Julmodels.

Also avoid to answer why no superstars like Blanche, Jessi Empera, Lola Bulgari.

You see? I don't expect 60 new girls in yer. Would be happy even with 10 (that's less than 1 in month). And all your point (not surprised me with that) is sale, sale, sale.

Really think that there wouldn't be enough sales with Blanche, Empera, Lola Bulgari, Lola Taylor...?

And if you check again my post you'll see this:
And special chapter who pissed me off the most is that actually you add some new girls on your list, like Nicole Black and Kira Roller recently. But then, you just "ban" temporary 2-3 girls from your standard list and start be so boring with those newbies instead of them.
One more prove that I don't expect 60 new girls in year.

To be clear enough, will write in numbers... For example, instead of 5 scenes Selvaggia, 5 scenes Monika Wild, 5 scenes Kira Thorn, 5 scenes Gabriella, 5 scenes Jureka Del Mar, 5 scenes Dominica Phoenih... why there are no 3 scenes for each of them and rest of the scenes to go on girls who already shooted for you, but long, long time ago and superstars who never shooted for you? For example 9-10 of remaining 12 scenes? And still would be 2-3 scenes for total porn newbies.

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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:47 pm

"Isabella Clark, Victoria Daniels, Lola Taylor, Silvia Dellai, Eveline Dellai..."

Isabella: I shoot her sometimes
Victoria: doesnt want LP anymore
Lola: I shot her some months ago, maybe I will shoot her again but she is not a priority
Silvia/Eveline: Sales are low
Eva: Low Sales
Francesca: Low Sales

Lovenia Lux: Nothing Sopecial
Kitana Lure (just 1 scene at you, looooooooong time ago): I think she is not even active anymore
Henessy: No thank you

Blanche: I already answered to this on another topic
Jessi Empera: bho, dont know. I refused her at the beginning because I did not like her, then when I asked her she told me she doesnt want to work for me.
Lola Bulgari: was not possible to organize at the right moment

Its really annoying when someone tells you to do different like Im the last of the idiots, I do what I think is better in the economy of my production as it should be.
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Postby 2017sucks » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:54 pm

Kitana - active.

Henessy: No thank you
interesting.

Lovenia Lux: Nothing Sopecial
very, very interesting, especially in comparing with Luna Corazon.
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Postby 2017sucks » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:07 pm

And about all those with low sales, really would be end of the world if you get your money back 10, 20, 30, 40 days later than you would like? Is there some sort of closed system on LP and scenes not available for buying after, don't know... 7, 15, 20 days after publishing? And really you never got even 2-3x better sales of some scenes even when you expected really high number of sales? So, really can't replace "low sale scenes" with extra high sale scenes? And with time get more sales on those "low" too?
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Postby Sir Noel » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:59 pm

I like Giorgio's stuff and his style. I too have some frustrations over some models not appearing here (sure so Avluv was on gonzo studio but how in the hell does that mean it is not worth a Giorgio style scene?) but I accept he has people he would rather not work with.

I have two real issues. First is that I know double anal sells but many scenes are so heavily loaded with it I think it makes the scene less varied. Often the most distinctive parts of the scene and the hardest pounding are the plain anal parts. I would like to see less dpuble anal minutes and more hard deep single anal for more variety. Sec9nd I know the pissing is kept seperate so it can be remived for a dry version but I don't understand why the fisting is treated this way as well. Even the awful Interracial Vision studio incorporates fisting into the fucking rather than this "everyone stop, now it is the four minute fisting segment to tick that box" before resuming the douboe anal merry go round again. I love fisting, I love how Giorgio films it but I hate that only on a few memorable occasions has it flowed as part of the action (fist and cock alternating, fist and cock dp or fist/cock dap etc or one girl fisting another while she is getting fucked)

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Postby avanfurwet » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:01 pm

Thank you GG for replying to this thread. Your comments make a lot of sense.

Surprised by low sales for some (I think) cute girls, but it is what it is.

We fans can't understand why some girls might work for several LP studios on a trip, but Veronica Avluv only for Gonzo.
But I guess maybe it depends also on who is representing the girl and who likes to work with who.

IMO developing social media tech introduces more threats (easier targets for pimps trying to exploit the girls for a quick fee), but also opportunities for more girls safely to enter the fringes of the industry on their own (cam sites, [spam], [spam], etc.) which could possibly increase the potential talent pool of prospects for professional agencies and producers to discover.

Best wishes GG for 2018, whatever direction you take.

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Postby JohnnyMcSpunkencock » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:03 pm

A model being 'active' and shooting hard porn are not the same thing. You and every other guy likes what they like but that's not to say you are the majority on what you like. For example, Luna Corazon is hot and blazing a trail right now. You'll not get many companies of ALL kinds that don't want to shoot her. As for JM, I don't know how many times GG has to answer this. YOU guys get over it.
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Postby pastaga » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:19 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Silvia/Eveline: Sales are low
Francesca: Low Sales


Sales were low 2 years ago, you mean... Models you worked with weren't the same this time. I guess you should try to shoot them now, especially the twins as they're Prague based so it's easy to get them for just one scene. Pair them together and you will see how it will sell.
Same goes for Stacy Snake. She's very popular between forum users.

And about the lack of new girls because social hookers and lack of proper agencies : why not asking these girls to join TWM ? If it's really better for them to be in a real agency then it should be easy to make them join. Otherwise TWM needs to go 2.0 and "social hook" the girls too. :cool:

Porn won't disappear that fast. Maybe it is less rewarding than it was 5 years ago, but it's still interesting for the girls to get in 5 days of shooting what they would earn in a full month working in a restaurant... That's also a cool opportunity for young moms (as we can see on LP).

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Postby drevokocur66 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:48 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:"Isabella Clark, Victoria Daniels, Lola Taylor, Silvia Dellai, Eveline Dellai..."

Isabella: I shoot her sometimes
Victoria: doesnt want LP anymore
Lola: I shot her some months ago, maybe I will shoot her again but she is not a priority
Silvia/Eveline: Sales are low
Eva: Low Sales
Francesca: Low Sales

Lovenia Lux: Nothing Sopecial
Kitana Lure (just 1 scene at you, looooooooong time ago): I think she is not even active anymore
Henessy: No thank you

Blanche: I already answered to this on another topic
Jessi Empera: bho, dont know. I refused her at the beginning because I did not like her, then when I asked her she told me she doesnt want to work for me.
Lola Bulgari: was not possible to organize at the right moment

Its really annoying when someone tells you to do different like Im the last of the idiots, I do what I think is better in the economy of my production as it should be.


Sure, some models sell better vs others, but right content will certainly narrow the gap.
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:10 pm

pastaga wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Silvia/Eveline: Sales are low
Francesca: Low Sales


Sales were low 2 years ago, you mean... Models you worked with weren't the same this time. I guess you should try to shoot them now, especially the twins as they're Prague based so it's easy to get them for just one scene. Pair them together and you will see how it will sell.
Same goes for Stacy Snake. She's very popular between forum users.

And about the lack of new girls because social hookers and lack of proper agencies : why not asking these girls to join TWM ? If it's really better for them to be in a real agency then it should be easy to make them join. Otherwise TWM needs to go 2.0 and "social hook" the girls too. :cool:

Porn won't disappear that fast. Maybe it is less rewarding than it was 5 years ago, but it's still interesting for the girls to get in 5 days of shooting what they would earn in a full month working in a restaurant... That's also a cool opportunity for young moms (as we can see on LP).


There is nothing to "hook" anymore on social, we need new fish in the lake and avoid to try to recycle people, its a waste of time. Example: yesterday I spent some time on social and I found a interesting girl, she even speaks italian. I contacted her, we agreed on shooting/dates/prices, today she told to my assistant that she wont work for me and she even block me in [spam].
Some years ago, you can find 10 girls and at the end you get 2-4 on the stage, now you find 1-2 and after you get cancellations without sense.
The point of TWM is handle few girls, for sure not many as to handle many girls is not possible. We are going to register more girls, but they need to propose alone.

Also, just for make it clear: social network is not a place for the model for make promotion as social traffic doesnt sell properly. As for increase the booking, would be better a girl takes case to handle her profile on free tubes for gain popularity and and so more bookings instead then spend time on [spam].
The modeling industry in europe is fucked.

Thanks good we have girls like Jureka/Selvaggia and the other regular models that gives the opportunity to continue to shoot "waiting" for valuable faces, otherwise I would do something else. For example youtube videos (and I plan this year to start it). Very low investment, creativity and a infinite catchment area. The adult toy industry is growing as never before and the bottom like is that producer of adult toys are really few comparing to how much the market is big (online shop are even advertised in normal television for fuck sake). The Adult Merchandise Industry (not toys) is something unknown in europe but with the technology available now, is possible to start it with a very low investment (and on this we are already working)
And again this forum is not the expression of the audience at LP, I even sometimes ask myself why I even answer to the people here, knowing that many folks with over 200 post never spent a single cent on the website...
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Postby pastaga » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:23 pm

Sure forum users aren't representative of the sales. But diversity is the key, and I'm pretty sure that if you keep shooting 5 same girls for 2 months, sales will get low as well. And as I said before, the customer base isn't the same than 2 years ago. So IMO "low" sales models that haven't been on LP for a year or so are worth a try.

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Postby Sir Noel » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:25 pm

I even sometimes ask myself why I even answer to the people here, knowing that many folks with over 200 post never spent a single cent on the website...


Because some of us with a LOT more than 200 posts have spent a LOT of money on your scenes and may have something to say that is worth your time to consider?

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Postby avanfurwet » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:27 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:There is nothing to "hook" anymore on social, we need new fish in the lake and avoid to try to recycle people, its a waste of time. Example: yesterday I spent some time on social and I found a interesting girl, she even speaks italian. I contacted her, we agreed on shooting/dates/prices, today she told to my assistant that she wont work for me and she even block me in [spam].
Some years ago, you can find 10 girls and at the end you get 2-4 on the stage, now you find 1-2 and after you get cancellations without sense.
The point of TWM is handle few girls, for sure not many as to handle many girls is not possible. We are going to register more girls, but they need to propose alone.

Also, just for make it clear: social network is not a place for the model for make promotion as social traffic doesnt sell properly. As for increase the booking, would be better a girl takes case to handle her profile on free tubes for gain popularity and and so more bookings instead then spend time on [spam].
The modeling industry in europe is fucked.

Thanks good we have girls like Jureka/Selvaggia and the other regular models that gives the opportunity to continue to shoot "waiting" for valuable faces, otherwise I would do something else. For example youtube videos (and I plan this year to start it). Very low investment, creativity and a infinite catchment area. The adult toy industry is growing as never before and the bottom like is that producer of adult toys are really few comparing to how much the market is big (online shop are even advertised in normal television for fuck sake). The Adult Merchandise Industry (not toys) is something unknown in europe but with the technology available now, is possible to start it with a very low investment (and on this we are already working)
And again this forum is not the expression of the audience at LP, I even sometimes ask myself why I even answer to the people here, knowing that many folks with over 200 post never spent a single cent on the website...


^ Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Good luck for new directions in 2018. I hope we'll still get to see lovely newbies like Sofia Curly and Scyley.

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Postby pastaga » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:56 pm

Giorgio, I'm also a little surprised about your complaint about the lack of new girls when on the other side you stop working with promising girls like Jaclyn Jordan and a few others...

Anal is not something you're born with. It's mostly a matter of training. So please don't fire girls for that and instead give them time to learn, here or on other websites. I personally wouldn't mind seeing softer scenes on LP from time to time and especially with new girls.


Oh, and another word about low sales. This July, Eveline Dellai DAP sold better than your "solid models" Jureka, Luna Corazon or even Alexis Crystal. So please don't always blame the model for "low sales"...

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Postby avanfurwet » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:26 pm

Hmm... didn't Jaclyn leave GG because she wanted to work with others and not book through TWM? And how many scenes has she made since?

Then again, if Jaclyn had stayed with GG and made more scenes like Monica Wild then some users would come here and bitch about it because she wasn't their personal favourite.

Personally, I'm also happy to see new girls in softer scenes and build up their performance. But IDK maybe GG's softer scenes can sell better at other websites/DVDs.

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Postby Dylan.122 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:27 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
Henessy: No thank you


Why ?

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Postby dpconnoisseur1 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:30 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:And again this forum is not the expression of the audience at LP, I even sometimes ask myself why I even answer to the people here, knowing that many folks with over 200 post never spent a single cent on the website...


Your interaction with the forum is invaluable so here is a simple solution. Only read the comments linked from scene purchases. This way you know that the member has actually bough the scene and hopefully has a valuable critique.

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By the way I love what you are doing with Luna Corazon. Keep it up as I'm dying to see her in that Samba outfit hopefully dancing a little before being fucked again. With the retirement of Crystal Greenvelle the only InstantBuy models you shoot that I purchase are Luna Corazon and Nicole Black.

Also one thing that I i didn't understand, you said you didn't want to shoot Veronica Avluv because "Veronica Avluv - She shot a lot of scenes for Gonzo, whats the reason to shoot her as well again?" but she only has a total of 5 scenes on LP. Brittany Bardot has 32 scenes on LP, 9 for Gonzo and 15 for you but you still shoot her. That statistic confused me. Is really that you don't find Veronica attractive or don't like her agent or agency?

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Postby Magoo8 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:14 pm

And what about terrible soaking wet scenes with Selvaggia and Kira Roller??? And why not do again??? I wait long time for a wet scene with Selvaggia, for a cut, terrible 6ft long piss. i´m very disappointed, Kira Roller too, i really expected see both in GGG like Ria Sunn or in Vipissy like Ornella!
Giorgio Grandi wrote:You have really a wrong idea of the industry, remember I started shooting "Giorgio Grandi Studio" for LP on January 2015.

Factor - 1
Since 2015 to now, you have to imagine the models as "fish" into a lake (the internet lake). I remember at that time, the fish went directly to the Model Agencies and proposed themselves directly and the agencies where proposing the models to the producers. The model agency was getting profit from producers and investing part of the profit in recruiting of brand new girls (adding new fish to the lake)
In the two years between 2014 and 2016 what I call the "social hookers" started to dig the social network hooking girls and proposing these girls to producers, without to add any new fish to the lake.

Result: less fish in the lake in general


Factor - 2
Lack of "model management" create a "bubble" of models exploited in the wrong way, with the result that is not even worth to shoot them again

Result: part of the available fist in the lake are not "selling" properly


Factor - 3
Lack of "model management" create another "bubble" of models that consider to work "for me" less interesting then work "for others", which is bullshit according to the fact that for most of girls that worked for all the active studios my content are the content with the more consistent sales ratio

Result: less fish available on my table


Factor - 4
The number of model that join the industry decrease year by year. First of all the payout for model did not increase in the last 10 years while the cost of the life is almost 3 time more expensive imho and the price of the membership for an adult website stick in general to 23$ (average) making reach the owner and exploiting models and producers (this is not the case of LP, but a model can not join porn only for LP). On the other side some retard on forum even complain LP is too expensive when in realty he is part of a system that take advantage of girls and he should be ashamed of this

Result: less new fish in the lake

Factor - 5
In the last 3 years we have used almost all the girls available in the industry, even who joined the industry 10 years ago. This gave you the idea of new faces, bu in effect the girls were in the industry long time

Result: we need new fish in the lake

For be more specific to the first post, just about few poins:
-Megan Rain - I dont think she was in europe
-Veronica Avluv - She shot a lot of scenes for Gonzo, whats the reason to shoot her as well again?
-Multi girls scenes: Adara/Zima works perfectly because of the big ass, sales were good, same for other example
-"Why not shooted more 5 on 1, 7 on 1, 10 on 1 with Amirah, Jasmine" because its the same stuff all over and over and I should release something different between each scene for make the scenes you like profitable
-Your personal taste and the result of analysis of most of conversion on forum doesnt match with numbers on sales. If you think that there is users with hundreds of very critic post that never spent a single cent on LP... (not your case probably, we did not check it)


-Overall
if you consider 5 brand new euro girls every month who will join LP, you are not realistic. It means 60 new girls a year that is probably not even the amount of brand new girls that join the industry in europe (not even considering that not every girl does anal and DP, let alone if they do the double anal)

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Postby luvs2_wank » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:55 pm

Low sales for Francesca Di Caprio is a real shame - she could take a hard anal.

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