A new quality @ IV? - Timea Bella DAP (iv302)

[dap-addict]

So, Joachim, finally came along to watch IV302 carefully as you suggested to me and assess camerawork, DAP and DP insertions (vs. cut outs) and studs involvement beyond fucking.

And what to say?
Generally its better than iv220 to iv299, BUT there is still a lot to be improved, imho.
1) Cameraman is clearly still the same, his filming style to jump from ass close-up to face close-up and back and forth again is still there. Basically only in rcdap he does a better job.
2) Only 2 out of 7 DP/DAP insertions are shown.
3) Studs involvement: There is some nice tit grabbing!

Now I shall post some screen caps to illustrate what I mean - and I really do hope this helps you to understand.
To be honest this is a work of love, love for porn and dedication to make it better. Its constructive criticism, NOT the opposite, and I do hope you appreciate it.
Finally just let me say: YES; I enjoyed that Timea Bella scene, I enjoyed it more than many other IV scenes lately. BUT... it still could be much better! Thus please listen...

[dap-addict]

Now, lets get along that film according to timeline of the porn sex acts shown:
Best done is single anal.
Really excellent views and quite good camerawork.
But I shall jump straight to the double penetrations, ie. DP and DAP.

1) scene starts with a cgdp.
Do we get the DP insertion? - no!
Why?

Does cameraman do again his close-up jumping? - yes!
Why?

Do the studs get involved with the girl besides fucking, thus creating a less cold and less distant atmosphere? - not really, but at least they hold and touch her ass cheeks.

DP insertion: Scene is cut from bj straight into DP showing no position change and no insertion. - Here last secs of Timeas hot pre-DP bj.

A few secs later: 2 film frames mingle - and than BINGO, we het middle into DP action without any previous insertions shown. WTF?!

Than we get into the typical IV tripple-cut: ass close-up - fast blurred full body shot - face close-up. Here ass close-up.

Fast, usually blurred full body shot: Camera races along girls body to pin her face. WTF?!

Face close-up. (now from this point camera goes back and forth repeating close-ups and blurred body view. If we are very lucky we get a few totales.)

[tommysxc]

Do the studs get involved with the girl besides fucking, thus creating a less cold and less distant atmosphere? - not really, but at least they hold and touch her ass cheeks.

To me, this is the most important part. There's no real touching, talking, eye contact between Timea and the men, or anything other than some rather lackluster back and forth from the men.

Timea has such an on-screen appearance, but for me it didn't show here. Her scenes with Gonzo in particular really nailed (pardon the pun) this because clearly you could see some banter between the guys and Timea. I would say that since Ian and Mike Angelo arent as present, Timeas other scenes haven't been as good.

[dap-addict]

2) Next position shot is seemingly a king of clubs DAP.
Its a very rare choice to start DAP sessions with koc position, the more intrigued I am.
At the same time because position change isn't shown I am not sure wheter this position was really filmed so early or wheter it was filmed towards the end but put here later in the editing process. Showing position change and subsequent DAP insertion would disperse all doubts here. But anyway...
Now for DAP insertion footage is crucial since users want to see really how the girl copes with two dicks in her ass, a really demanding porn sex act far from all girls can deliver.

But again:
Do we get the DAP insertion? - no!
Why?

Does cameraman do again his close-up jumping? - yes!
Why?

Do the studs get involved with the girl besides fucking, thus creating a less cold and less distant atmosphere? - not in kocdap if I recall it right, but this is the girls-do-the-fucking position anyway.


Camerawork and cut-outs in kocdap position basically is a repetition of cgdp position seemingly just shot before:

DAP insertion: Scene is cut from cgdp straight into DAP showing no position change and no insertion. - Here last secs of Timeas good and intense further cgdp. (IV302)

A few secs later: 2 film frames mingle - and than BINGO, we get middle into DAP action in doc position without any insertions shown. WTF?! (IV302)

Than AGAIN but now just in DAP we get into the typical IV tripple-cut: ass close-up - fast blurred full body shot - face close-up. Here ass close-up. (IV302)

Fast blurred full body shot: Camera races up girls body to pin her face. WTF?! (IV302)

Face close-up. Now here at least there is sth special to show: Timea is in real DAPlust! (from this point camera goes back and forth to close-ups, but in kocdap we are lucky we get some good totales.) (IV302)

Again first and crucial 10-15 seconds completely fucked-up in my book with no plausible reason. And even if Timea should have had to fight a lot to get those two dicks into her pooper in kocdap position, they could have shown some of it and cut out some of it if it lasted over 60s or so. But cutting directly into full fledged DAP is a no go in not only my book.
And than again this close-ups focused camera! Kings of Clubs (koc) DAP is such a nice, graphic DAP position showing girls tits bounding up and down, but camera does very little to show this, but shows too many close-ups instead. WTF? Why?

[joachim-kessef]

Everybody watch that scene love it and the funny things is i release that scene longtime ago and now you just watch it and you said it not good you know what i try my best it not possible to please you man the are many users only you have something to said and i like your critics it come only longtime really longtime when we are shooting new things you only old thing keep watch those old scenes why not

[dap-addict]

Hi, Joachim, thats unfair now:
Did you really read what I wrote?

So, Joachim, finally came along to watch IV302 carefully as YOU suggested to me
(...)
Finally just let me say: YES; I enjoyed that Timea Bella scene, I enjoyed it more than many other IV scenes lately. BUT... it still could be much better! Thus please listen...

Besides that I bought that scene the night it was published and I flicked straight through it, but I wanted to watch it carefully before I really assess it.
Due to some business trips I was able to do it only now.
I know you shoot about 10 more scenes since, but to be honest I frankly doubt these are so much different form IV302, which is better than the IV220 to IV299 batch. Asking me constantly to assess newer scenes of you is just a cheap excuse, sorry Joachim. Timea Bella (IV302) is NOT AN OLD SCENE!

[dap-addict]

Btw, Joachim, IV302 was published April 23th, that means 2,5 weeks ago.
You published 8 scenes since. Some of them do sell pretty good, as does IV302, which is heading IV sales performance list meanwhile - and the wet version is 5th in all LP April sales.
Its a big success!

I know about that success, but the scene still has the same structural problems as all your last 100 scenes.
Since you yourself urged me to carefully watch that IV302 scene I'd really ask you now to read my post carefully and check those screenshots provided. Its just fairness, you know.

[joachim-kessef]

i understand suggestion but now it sounds like requisition or it your personnal movie really it sounds for me like obsession remember camera work this and that or it look like your movie really

[dap-addict]

Its not personal and you perfectly know it!
Many other users have criticized your camerawork pinning always from ass close-ups to face close-ups.
Same with not showing position changes, or too little of it, and no insertion footage.
IV302 sold so well because its Timea Bella and her performance was really ace. Same is true for the Dellai twins, there its the incest (sic!) play. You know exactly about that.

What gets on my nerves a bit is your complete lack of taking your user inputs seriously and thinking it over. Sure you started to react finally on user suggestions, also started to implement some in your scenes, but looks like a cheap adhoc approach. You seem completely unwilling to take anything in-depth serious. All you do is stay at a level were you can feel personally attacked. Which isn't the case here!
Also please consider I did all these screenshots and many more to show you something. But you just dont care, it seems. You first want me to assess IV302, but than you loose interest because it sold good. And finally you write bs about my personal war against your filming style.

I just tell you IV302 sold good, but other scenes your cameraman shoots dont sell good.
Maybe it would be a point to start thinking what could be done better? No?!

[joachim-kessef]

Correction it only few users i said fews users said something only many users understand that well you are asking many times to answers your question is sounds like requisition first it not question about camera work it after this come ok it not problem about camera work read the way you asked your question it sounds like i am working for you remember we are here in that forum to change to talk about scene of course if something need to be improve i am not against it should not sounds like ask my question
that is my position then when i ask you did you watch my release my question was not about pushing you to buy nothing remember you kept asking to ask you your question then i told you my answer is the new scene i never push no one here to do something
it you who has obsession on me something happened to my house you comment what is that ?
then you ask ,me question and insist ;like to answer even someone told you dont even care of what i am doing it in the forum i never told told to buy nothing i never push you hell no i dont do that i always answer people when it relate to my movies thanks god a lot people here are really correct and never go over my personnal life i said a lot a lot fans respect that it nice but your obsession is too much
make suggestion yes but dont turn it to obsession

[dap-addict]

Joachim, instead of going bach in circles about that French girl again, could you just have a look at the screenshots I posted above and tell me:

- why is the full body shot so short and often blurred?
- why do you cut into full fledged DP or DAP instead of showing insertions?

Just tell me why and I shall shut up!



Btw, an no, you didn't force me to buy IV302, I bought it straight away anyway because it was a new Timea Bella scene - and because IV camerawork seemed bette judging from trailer.
Than later you seemed to imply you improved something from IV302 onwards. But what did you improve? I dont see much really, to be honest.

[joachim-kessef]

First i was working with the girl she was not confortable in one dap position that why i cut it in another she was more confortable so we did more in another position of dap and she feel little bit discomfortable that why
about the fact i dont show insertion i told you previously as director the the time to put the 2 cocks specially when the 3 guys lay down it generate for dead moment i prefer to set up the position then shot it and i told you before i assume that part
in that specific position i shot it to avoid dead moment or avoid synchronising but i said that before
you see your obesseeion is on me again read what i wrote
again i dont beg you to pay anything and i never wrote that again if you dont like my scene please go watch another again the platform
is full of nice movies if mine are not please you go watch someone else why this sterile discussion?
i stop to not answer you when you jump to my private life which doesn't have nothing to do here yes that mean you went too far
that is not critic about scene anymore really

[dap-addict]

First i was working with the girl she was not confortable in one dap position that why i cut it in another she was more confortable so we did more in another position of dap and she feel little bit discomfortable that why
about the fact i dont show insertion i told you previously as director the the time to put the 2 cocks specially when the 3 guys lay down it generate for dead moment i prefer to set up the position then shot it and i told you before i assume that part
in that specific position i shot it to avoid dead moment or avoid synchronising

Thanks for this answer, Joachim!
It allows me to understand you much better now.
And your answer reflects first time what I guessed anyway: You dont show insertions when there was a problem with the position and you show it when the girl managed well. In Timeas case this happens with rc king of clubs DAP, cgdap and rcdap. And this is new in your films actually and I do appreciate this a lot!
In Timea Bella's case it shows a lot more about her DAP-ability. Especially the fact she still has problems to perform the koc (King of Clubs) position. And than she has even problems in some DP positions it seems! Quite surprising, actually. But its a truth revealed here. If you cut all insertions - as you did iv220-299 very often - all looks fine, but its no truth.
Understand what I wanna say?

This is also why I really liked IV302 with Timea Bella - its a true and honest scene!
I'd like it even more if you would also show what you call 'dead moments', i.e. position changes without sex, if I get you right, but this is your film and you decide how you want it.


Now cameraman is still the same and I understand you dont wanna or can't change him at this moment. I also watched some GIO stuff in-depht and actually the blurred total body shot is there as well when camera moves from ass close-up to face close-up. Difference is only at GIO it happens much less than in your films.


And the rest forget it please!
I dont want to go back to that personal stuff about that actress! Its actually you who mentioned her again, not me! Lets forget her and move on - and try to sell more of your scenes!

[dap-addict]

In Timeas case this happens with rc king of clubs DAP, cgdap and rcdap. And this is new in your films actually and I do appreciate this a lot!
(...)
This is also why I really liked IV302 with Timea Bella - its a true and honest scene!

Best and hottest DAP insertion shown is in rcdap actually.
I took 10 screen caps showing allsteps and camera movements documenting those crucial 10-15 seconds for Timea Bella, but I shall post here only 5 making it even hotter by this:
What I leave out here are 2-3 ass close-ups because for me they arent needed really because we already know Timea is getting DAP-ed now, dont we?
I thus think also in the film camera wouldn't need to go up and down her body so often, but just show her in total and than a close-up of her face 1-2 times.
Would be curious what you think about this proposition for your cameraman OR also just the final edition of that scene, Joachim?

Camera is positioned almost at Timeas pooper level and starts really documenting her 1st rcDAP insertion now.

Timea is struggeling a bit obviously, but thats normal for DAP. Anything else would be way unnatural.
Thus no need to cut out such a moment. Better show it!

Timea finally relaxing after 25secs. DAP-ing can start from this point and viewer wants to check how she manages with higher speed,
wheter she manages to cum, wheter they manhandle her, whether they dig her ass really deep etc.

Crucial for me is the transformation from obvious difficulties and maybe even pain to DAPlust between
these 2 last caps (within 22secs).
No anal close-ups needed to show this, btw

Timea is pure DAPlust! Now this is a moment camera has to show in a close-up, imho. Close-up is needed because sth special is happening
and I wanna see it! (all caps IV302)

Which screencaps I didnt include?
2 ass close-ups (because they are not needed, imho), 1 blurred frantic camera total of Timeas torso, 2 screen caps showing her in total I shot out of interest but they dont add much.

Note: In the documented 1.13min of 1st rcDAP insertion phase non of her studs touches Timeas tits displayed to play with, but anchor stud keeps her down in position very nicely. High praise for that anchor! Maybe some cuddling or slapping or whatever other action occurs later... Would be a nice extra added to make that scene look more intense.

[dap-addict]

if you dont like my scene please go watch another again the platform

How much I have to stress that I liked IV302 than?!
And Joachim, did you check those screenshots I took to illustrate?
Am I completely wrong and your cameraman completely right?


Btw, recently re-watched a few scenes around IV060 and there you show more DAP insertions and cameraman doesn't shoot so many close-ups constantly. What made you change that?

[tekaneo]

@DAP-Addict:

[joachim-kessef]

Explain the light on the clock

[tekaneo]

Explain the light on the clock

Hi Joaquim:

I prefer DAP Addict to deduce what it means ... and when he does ... I hope he applies it for his own good

[joachim-kessef]

we will see