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Re: Too many males!

Postby gapefan » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:54 pm

That is complete and utter malarkey! :)

Before being removed, nearly all of the scenes on the Best Sellers list that contained piss, also contained another popular genre ;)

Would you care to guess what it was? :D

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Re: Too many males!

Postby gapefan » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:05 pm

It just so happens I gathered some relevant data on the Best Sellers list, before piss was removed :cool:

https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54202#p54202
Image by gapefan » 03 Jun 2015 07:53
gapefan wrote:^I don't doubt that fans who like piss, buy piss scenes for the piss.

I also don't doubt that fans who like DAP, buy DAP scenes for the DAP.

And if a scene should happen to contain both? Well.. you get the picture.

Or at least I should hope you do.


Here's an interesting statistic:



Here's an even more interesting statistic. Assigning a value of 100 points to scene #1, a value of 99 points to scene #2, ..., and a value of 1 point to scene #100, we get the following total point values for each of the aforementioned groups, based upon actual scene rankings:

  • Total point value for piss scenes, not containing DAP = 783
  • Total point value for DAP scenes, not containing piss = 1509


Is that a coincidence?

Does the DAP have nothing to do with it?

:eek: :D :cool:

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Re: Too many males!

Postby mistress_cindy2008 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:03 pm

rollin_dubs187 wrote:
mistress_cindy2008 wrote:
And if a site changes its content to something you don't like... wouldn't you take your money and go to a more suitable site? I don't get why you would whine like a baby about it when there are plenty of options out there.


I think the fact that I have been here since the beginning, and been an extremely loyal subsriber gives me the right to complain of I want to. I wouldnt say I am cryong like a baby. I think its more people like gapefan who cry like babys when I criticize their "precious". Also, no one did it like lp did it. It was the best hands down. There pee content was phenomenal and no one mixed anal sex with pee like lp. But thats just one factor that I can live without. They used to conetentrate on gapes and good camera angles. Now the concentrate on jamming as many things in a girls ass as possible, to the point where you cant see anything but dudes asses anymore. The camera angle have gotten horrible. Scenes are cookie cutter shaped and prices have become way too overbloated. Disagree with me if you like but don't call me a cry baby for expressing my opinion.


You guys are acting like babies... why? Because instead of taking your business elsewhere (which is how you send your message to the producer), you bitch about a company making content you don't like. I don't go over to Vivid Video forums demanding double anal, do i? I take my money to content I like. If the company stops producing what I like, I buy something else. Right?

We have guys calling Milfs ugly, and others who want more. WE have guys bitching they dont want high heels, another guy bitching they want more heels..... you see the madness of this? If you guys are so fucked up that a porn scene has to be meticulous to exactly what you want or you can't get off, what does that say about your enjoyment of the greatest thing in life, sex

I don't get excited at piss scenes . SO, if LP makes 90% piss scenes in the future, I won't be bitching about it in the forums. I will take my money and go to another website.. pretty simple, isnt it?

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Re: Too many males!

Postby dap-addict » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:40 am

gapefan wrote:Here's an even more interesting statistic. Assigning a value of 100 points to scene #1, a value of 99 points to scene #2, ..., and a value of 1 point to scene #100, we get the following total point values for each of the aforementioned groups, based upon actual scene rankings:

  • Total point value for piss scenes, not containing DAP = 783
  • Total point value for DAP scenes, not containing piss = 1509


Is that a coincidence?

Does the DAP have nothing to do with it?

:eek: :D :cool:

Great numbers, clear evidence, gapefan!
Thanks for reminding us! :)
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Re: Too many males!

Postby drevokocur66 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:11 am

For me, personally, 3 guys per girl would be the ideal number. Not too many guys can pull off 1 on 1 except maybe Rocco and Mike Chapman, so two per girl minimum. More than 3 guys per girl gets to be somewhat of a cluster fuck.
Exceptions for true gang bang scenes, but those are rare and hard to pull off.
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Re: Too many males!

Postby magizi877 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:41 am

Just so that we are all in the same page for this one:

When a scene has more than 1 girl and more than 1 man, I call it an "orgy" scene.
And when there is only 1 girl and more than 2 men, I call it a "gangbang" scene.

Ok let's get started.

Back in 2013 when I joined, a lot of scenes were 2 or 3 girls and 2 or 3 dudes. So orgy scenes.
I don't have the numbers but, to me orgy type scenes felt like 60% of the total of scenes, maybe even more.
Someone could verify this if it really matters (scenes come up with published date).

Anyways. Orgy scenes are more expensive to produce,
because usually, ladies get paid a bigger amount of money than males, or so I heard over many years.
and so having 2 or 3 girls makes the scene significantly more expensive to produce.
this fact is very important, profit margins depend on sales and production cost.
For an expensive scene, such as an orgy scene. you need to offset the cost with big sales numbers.
But the thing is that producers are not thinking, "I hope that at least, I get my money back",
the reality is that they want to get as much money as possible. So efficiency comes into play.
How can I spend the least amount of money and get the biggest return possible, within a set time frame.
is what they are thinking, the how becomes secondary.

Somewhere around 2014 Gonzo realized that fans preferred to buy gangbang type scenes.
As their sales charts indicated.
and they started prioritizing those, Giorgio realized this probably like week 1 since he started here, or maybe he already knew
and Sineplex took a while longer because you can kinda tell
they liked doing orgy scenes regardless of what sells better. (Most of their scenes are orgies)
But in mid 2015 they started doing more and more gangbang scenes. Probably because of money issues.
If you recall, they moved to Mexico to save some money and presumably film more scenes, release them faster. (However that didn't really happen IMO)

But the key thing was, gangbang scenes were cheaper to produce and were selling better, thus the profits were bigger.
I remember one time when XXX said in the forum that he was surprised people liked buying gangbang scenes over orgy scenes.
Probably becasue back then, logic would say that more beautiful women, increase sales.

The big problem about Orgy scenes for me, is the camera work.
I think an Orgy scene is too big of a challenge for a film maker to do,
especially because ideally, it has to be filmed everything in one go (to make the sex the most believable possible)
and with just one camera (to keep the cost low?).
SO with so much going on and with everything being so spontaneous and in the heat of the moment,
Orgy scenes are really hard to do and really easy to upset fans.
Ultimately the action could be the nastiest in history, but what matters is what happens in front of the camera.
And that goes without saying that maybe the other lady in scene "ruins" the scene for you.

With Gonzo I never really understand why they move the camera the way they do. (during orgy movies)
I often feel like they move the camera at the worst possible moments, lol. (they switch the focus to a different girl when the previous one was getting fucked really good)
And often I don't like how they squeezed 2 or 3 girls into the frame of the video and chopped parts of their body out of view,
or things are happening too far away from camera and you can't see things as you would want,
or the camera is too close to a girl and you can't see the others, etc, etc.
Giorgio has a much better understanding of "what people want to watch" tho, therefore he produces much better looking ones IMO.

Personally back in 2013 and 2014, I was often buying gangbang type scenes, that had girls I didn't even liked.
There are scenes that had so much pissing I was like "I'm never watching this" (I dislike pissing) but,
because I wanted to send the message, "produce more gangbang scenes". I added them to my collection.
Also, I became really annoying for the orgy fans here in the forum, as I was constantly bugging this place with "gangbangs are great" propaganda.
And this is really the best thing you can do, to shift the meta once again.
You can yell at the top of your lungs here at the forum but in the end, Money talks, you know? :p

Now that the meta changed to gangbangs I can be picky, muahahaha! :cool:

But the reason why I like gangbang scenes, well reasons, are that is easier for the director to capture on video everything we want to see,
and seeing how a woman reacts to all the mannerisms the men can throw at her, it's really fun to watch, I really like that fantasy of a woman who can't get enough.
Honestly I wish the sex in the scenes lasted for a longer period of time.
One of the current trends that I don't like at the moment is that 3 on 1 scenes, and 5 on 1, 10 on 1 scenes, you name it, all last the same amount of time.
And that doesn't make sense to me.

If 3 men can continuously fuck a woman for 30 mins non stop
(what the scene usually last if you remove the sexy striptease, dildo play or sexy dance or the last 15 minutes of GG scenes where there is no sex going on)
then, why 5 men, doesn't bump the duration to 45 mins or 10 men to 60 minutes? I mean she has the same 3 holes, not matter what.
How is that more men get satisfied in the same amount of time? :confused:
How are 10 men cumming in the same time as 3, is absurd to me.
The price goes up but the duration of the movie stays the same.
We don't pay extra just to see 2 or 7 extra dudes,
we do it to see the fantasy of a woman who is so sexy and hungry for sex, 10 men are barely enough for her.
we don't like seeing men jerking off most of the time or not being in the shot to hide this,
we want to see them climax as a result of fornicating her...
That's why we want to pay extra, we want to see the girl fucking for longer amounts of time.

The thing is, if you could get 3 men that could fuck the woman, non stop, and climax 60 minutes later. That would be better than any 10 on 1.
Except maybe the 10 on 1 with Blanche, that one was fucking legit :P
I'm totally biased towards that one. :p

WTF was that? lol

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Re: Too many males!

Postby hendrik549 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:29 pm

mistress_cindy2008 wrote: I don't go over to Vivid Video forums demanding double anal, do i? I take my money to content I like. If the company stops producing what I like, I buy something else. Right?


You sound like a broken record Cindy. Why not: Don't ask for a pizza in a chicken joint, another beautiful comparison we never heard of.
If you don't like Trump, fuck off to another country.
No criticism allowed here, why?
You assume we don't get scenes from other companies, why?

I like my porn Rocco style, but unfortunately he does it in smaller numbers. However, a scene like the recent Malena-trixi is worth every penny.

magizi87 good points, offtopic question:
Are 7 men as expensive as 2 girls? I have no idea what the rates are for the performers.

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Re: Too many males!

Postby MikeMuthafuckinChapman » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:52 pm

drevokocur66 wrote:For me, personally, 3 guys per girl would be the ideal number. Not too many guys can pull off 1 on 1 except maybe Rocco and Mike Chapman, so two per girl minimum. More than 3 guys per girl gets to be somewhat of a cluster fuck.
Exceptions for true gang bang scenes, but those are rare and hard to pull off.


drevokocur66">I agree. :) :) :)

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Re: Too many males!

Postby simone.urbinati » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:19 pm

i love 4 or more guys for one girl at the same time

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Re: Too many males!

Postby rollin_dubs187 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:15 am

gapefan wrote:It just so happens I gathered some relevant data on the Best Sellers list, before piss was removed :cool:

https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54202#p54202
Image by gapefan » 03 Jun 2015 07:53
gapefan wrote:^I don't doubt that fans who like piss, buy piss scenes for the piss.

I also don't doubt that fans who like DAP, buy DAP scenes for the DAP.

And if a scene should happen to contain both? Well.. you get the picture.

Or at least I should hope you do.


Here's an interesting statistic:



Here's an even more interesting statistic. Assigning a value of 100 points to scene #1, a value of 99 points to scene #2, ..., and a value of 1 point to scene #100, we get the following total point values for each of the aforementioned groups, based upon actual scene rankings:

  • Total point value for piss scenes, not containing DAP = 783
  • Total point value for DAP scenes, not containing piss = 1509


Is that a coincidence?

Does the DAP have nothing to do with it?

:eek: :D :cool:


Your statistics are flawed. There was FAR more DAP scenes that did not contain piss than there was Piss scenes that do not contain DAP. It's like when people say you are more likely to die from bee stings than shark attacks. Of course that is true because how many people do you know swim with sharks on a regular basis? Far more people come in contact with bees than come in contact with sharks, hence more death from bee stings. Similarly, of course more DAP vs piss scenes this lead to more downloaded DAP scenes. You have to look at percentages, not raw numbers. :eek: :D :cool:

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Re: Too many males!

Postby gapefan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:42 am

Your fabricated claim is flawed! :)

Percentages don't matter if one actually outsells the other "hands down" ;)

There were well over 100 piss scenes produced :eek: :D :cool:

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Re: Too many males!

Postby stockard692 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:12 am

rollin_dubs187 is right, piss sold extremely well, I well remember 8 of top 10 bestsellers containing piss, Gapefan's stats do not make sense as they considered the number 1 best seller the same way as the number 100, this sort of "stats" was already debunked a long time ago in other (actually deleted) topics, eg I remember discussing how Timea Bella's piss scenes outselled all her non-piss scenes, it's ridicolous discussing them here without the evidence of the best seller chart. Gapefan's arguments are flawed, as usual. Ban this scumbag.

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Re: Too many males!

Postby gapefan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:34 pm

Do you remember what else the top 10 scenes contained? :)

I do :D

And it wasn't just piss ;)

100 points to scene #1, 99 points to scene #2, ..., 2 points to scene #99, and 1 point to scene #100. Nothing to "debunk" there. Pretty straight forward scoring system :cool:

Nice try little one :p

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Re: Too many males!

Postby JohnMcSpunkencock » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:00 pm

You can't beat a bit of hairy man arse :eek:
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Re: Too many males!

Postby ritch1485 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:50 am

the problem is when you say something like this you get accused of wanting to change the site. my point is the multiple stuff, like real multiple, 5 to 10 on one, is more frequent. there used to be more of a balance. now the emphasis seems to be on getting as many males in there as possible, as some kind of circus act, or test to see how many men you can pile onto one girl. I just prefer decent sex to be honest, where you can see what is going on, two or three guys achieves this. the director has more room for error with all these people around, I'm just continually thinking "move the camera over there dammit!".

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Re: Too many males!

Postby gongobyte » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:07 am

I used to think the same way "Too many cockfest on LP" and rant and make angry post against LP. But I think now that is an unfair view. We should not expect one network to give us "Everything".

The problems is not that LP is not producing BG anal scenes. The problem is that EUROPE is not producing BG anal scenes of high quality (post Russian closure?).

If I want to see a BG anal with hot American girls like Holly Hendrix, Angel Smalls, etc I have so many to choose from - holed, tushy, evilangel and many other choices of really top quality porn.

If I want to see a BG anal with hot Euro girls.. THERE IS NOTHING. We have 21s, teencoresite, firstanalquest, perfect gonzo, ddf etc etc.. but we are lucky to get even one scene a month of high comparative quality from these shit sites.. and if we are lucky enough to get a girl in multiple scenes 90% chance it will be the same shit guy that was in her last scene.

Need some entrepreneur to hire someone experienced guy from America (like Claudio Maestro from Adriano and bang visions) to set up a BG anal studio to match quality of the American stuff. Even South American sites like cumlouder have better anal scenes than anything Europe has to offer.

Apart from the occasional Chappo scene, I don't think any of the current LP directors have the talent to make quality BG anal scenes, which is why we need someone else to do it.

Let this gangbang site have their gangbangs. The more the merrier for them. We need someone else to save us guys who want to see euro girls in non gangbang scenes.

If someone would spot me 200K id be happy to look into it :)

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Re: Too many males!

Postby magizi877 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:12 am

gongobyte wrote: Even South American sites like cumlouder


I thought those guys were based in Spain, as in Europe. lol.

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Re: Too many males!

Postby miloandtock151 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:52 pm

I may be in the minority here - I prefer only 1 female per scene with multiple guys - 2 guys just fine, 3 great, 4 is ok as long as they are actively engaged, beyond 5 or 6 too many just standing around not contributing to scene.
Don't care for 2 women with multiple guys - unless it has a tandam/side by side double doggy DP moment - but much prefer just 1 girl.
Multiple women on 1 guy is nice, but the best scenes of 1 guy-2-3-4 women are from the Golden Age/vintage scenes.

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