What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

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What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby magizi877 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:57 am

I'm a fan of gangbangs and therefore "rough sex" is kinda implied,
and I'm thinking that a big chunk of LP fans like similar things,
I mean if you think about, shoving two dicks into a woman's ass, is as rough as it gets,
so don't come at me with hateful insight as to why you think this may be wrong. :p

Also, I fully agree that this kind of thing must be under the full consent of all of those who participate in such videos. OBVIOUSLY! ;)

So, for those of us who like this kind of thing, what would you like LP to enforce and what do you want them to add? :cool:

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Postby magizi877 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:50 pm

I want videos to be more erotic.

First, I need to point out how the eroticism level suffers on Gonzo and
Giorgio videos, and the reason is that the way movies are constructed, break the immersion.

For the erotic level to be high, the situation must be believable, (immersive)
and both studios start by doing things in such a way, that make us think it’s all staged.
If it’s all perceived to be staged, the erotic feel is lost or is not as high as it could be.

Gonzo opens with the model undressing to the camera, then she
masturbates and 15 or so minutes later, the sex begins.
It’s a completely artificial situation, that why it feels staged,
What I think can be changed, without dropping this concept:

Have the model appear on stage and let the camera capture the male
audience, let her perform the striptease for them.
(Move the camera in such a way that her body is still the focus
of what you want to capture, but with small glances at the men reaction,
without taking the camera off the model and not always showing her audience)

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Then the model can begin masturbating, in a way most women would,
meaning, using her hands, rubbing her body, fingering her holes, seducing
her audience with sexy body language and verbal language if she can do that,
then the men could start prodding her and touching her.

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The action could continue escalating, including toys, dildos, buttplugs, etc
Until it finally gets to the meat and potatoes, the sex.

That way I think it would be perceived as more realistic, therefore more erotic,
and the Gonzo formula wouldn’t change too much.
It would still be, striptease, toys, sex.
It would also help the models get in the right mood faster
as they are getting played with by the hands of male counterparts sooner.

For Giorgio movies, what I think breaks the immersion is that the models gaze
at the camera too often during the intro. The key words are “too often”. :p
So, it cannot be perceived as a real thing happening,
if the participants are aware of the camera existing.

And that’s all well and good, but how can “rough sex” be included in a porno
about gangbangs and still be believable enough so it can be as erotic as it can be?

Well it must be with context; the context is what makes the situation
erotic to begin with, and it cannot be dialogue heavy because porn actors,
are usually not good at saying lines and sound in a believable way.

So, the best way I think, is just to start the scene in some type of situation
where us as the viewers must imagine, how that came to be.
We have to fill in the gaps so to speak.

For instance, a rough sex video could start just like this:
Door opens and two men and a woman walk through it, to a room with more men already there.
The guy dragging the model inside would then say “Time to play”

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And that’s it, it could then follow into the undressing her, playing with toys
and later, the sex as all scenes do.

So the context was that she apparently was captured, we don’t know,
because it is never said, and that’s the beauty of it, because we can all imagine
whatever we want. And that’s how it is believable.

This way the rough sex things that happen during the video, have an added value for being there,
as the situation they are presented with, is a believable scenario, where such things would happen.

And what rough sex things I would like to see on the videos? That's coming next!

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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby Wotan29 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:41 pm

Well observed and well said. Giorgio did that with the "Clockwork Gang" series (sometimes even with shootings outside the studio), but unfortunately did not continue this approach. Looking forward to your next post...

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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby VBT_2 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:48 pm

Good question.

Short answer - variety of feminine girls used by girls/guys which are in the horny & rough mood.

Long answer...

First, what I prefer in HARDCORE...

I like variety of girls: innocent, uninterested, dirty-minded, passive, active... but they have to be at least SOME FEMININE and NOT WAY TOO UGLY. Even the best script/idea for a scene is ruined if girls looks bad.

If guys are in the scene (so - no lesbian, solo or Giorgio's intimacy) I don't care about them, but they HAVE TO BE HORNY. Nothing worse than picture of crew jerking off, trying not to lost hardnes, unable/uninterested to cum.

So, for me, NECESSARILY important point is in THE MOOD.

ROUGH SEX in hardcore is based on same things, just more intensive: eg. girl/guy is SO horny to fist/fuck a girl that she/he can't wait to warm her up, so she/he take her like charge on her more fiercely, in stronger rhytm... well, more ROUGH.

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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby magizi877 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:27 am

VBT_2 wrote:First, what I prefer in HARDCORE...

I like variety of girls: innocent, uninterested, dirty-minded, passive, active... but they have to be at least SOME FEMININE and NOT WAY TOO UGLY. Even the best script/idea for a scene is ruined if girls looks bad.


I agree with this and as harsh as it may sound, porn is for pretty girls,
but I think this kind of logic applies to almost everything.

For instance, I'm an engineer and my job requires somebody who is able to
figure out problems that almost nobody has hope to ever solve.
So you have to be intelligent, you have to be smart.
No amount of cumulative knowledge will ever make you smart.
I know engineers who do administrative work, simply because the engineering work is too hard for them.
(And also because it makes more money to do that).

Just as how I have no hope to ever be a model because I'm just not 'cute'
and no matter how many hours at the Gym I can accumulate
it will never change the fact that my face is not a pretty one.

My point is that the best course of action is to play to your strengths.

Having said that, I believe not all porn actresses who are pretty are good for a rough sex video.
And I don't want to go into too much detail but IMO only models who are looking forward
to this type of video, should be cast for them.

Simply because when a pretty girl who isn't into being manhandled, participates in a rough sex video,
is too hard to watch. You can tell she is having a bad day. Empathy will work its way to make us feel bad about it.
Whereas if the model is into that kind of action, it's really fun to watch.

So I do agree with those who have said that porn is the crossroad where fantasy meets reality.
And I think that when porn producers are inspired by the fantasies of the actors/actresses the product is at is best.
Thinking about Kira Thorn for instance, who has lived her gangbang fantasies thanks to porn.
Also in Mike Angelo and Mike Chapman, two male actors
who are seemingly performing in their own unique style.
When Mike Chapman was working for Giorgio to me it was pretty clear,
Giorgio wasn't directing much because the action was too different to his 'normal' videos.

And those videos stand out from the rest IMO. To me at least, 1 on 1 Blackbusters are some of the porn
videos that Giorgio made that I remember most vividly.

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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby dap-addict » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:39 am

magizi87, crucial in your second pic is that pussy juice of course.
The girl has to be hot for whatever rough happens!
Now it has to be clear its all staged and agreed upon prior to the shooting. This of course also includes that the girl doesn't genuinely feel that scene but she's just performing it because its her job. As you already said it will be pretty obvious who of them still gets into it and who dont. The first will sell better, independent of beauty. Because what users want is of course good looking girls but also compassion. This is the point why kink prod. works in general even though girls are not presented as attractive women most times. LP could fill a huge gap here in just sticking to the Luis/Giorgio way of showing the girl always from her best side.
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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby Holeblaster » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:12 am

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Re: What things would you like to see on "Rough Sex" videos?

Postby magizi877 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:51 am

I totally forgot about this thread I made, haha. :o

For me, the most crucial aspect of rough sex videos
is how the male actors penetrate the model.

There are tons of videos on the Internet that go for the rough sex style,
the male actors throw all kind of manhandle things at the model
she gets her ass spanked, her face slapped, her hair grabbed, she gets tossed around like a rag doll, etc, etc,
all good rough sex elements to include in a video of this nature.

But when it comes down to how the studs penetrate her, with their dick, which is very important for pornos,
many scenes are ruined, because by trying to make the penetration look "rough"
the actual penetration becomes a jerky motion, the male actors,
try to move so fast, that their cock is barely moving in and out of her holes,
their dick starts moving up and down and side to side, and it makes the penetration really painful for the model.
it becomes a tip fucking scene. And tip fucking ain't never gonna be rough sex.
it also cuts the duration that she can be penetrated, because eventually, she will just stop the action.

So the key to good rough sex videos is that the male actor hip is never moving in more than one axis at a time,
his hip must only be moving back and forth but it does not move left or right and up or down,
and he is not twisting his hip either, which I think is obvious but often when the scenes are being recorded,
they forget that they need to do a clean and smooth motion, especially on anal sex
because the rectum has a lot more terminal nerves and can be a lot more painful if done incorrectly. :confused:

I'm saying this because ultimately when you are having or watching sex, you want to have fun,
and when the dude penetrating the models is doing a penetration with seemingly random jerky motions,
she is not gonna have fun and it is visually apparent to us watching the scenes she is not enjoying herself,
and I think most of us don't want to see the models having a miserable day even on rough sex videos.

Which brings me to my next point which is, that not every model is a good candidate for rough sex videos. :p
I'm being blunt here, but for example, Nicole Black, would not be a good choice for a rough sex video,
simply because she is often pushing the boys away from her butt and asking them to take it easy and slow down. :confused:
I'm not hating on that model because honestly, she is so good looking I just don't really care she can't handle rough sex.

I would even argue that rough sex videos should only be made with models who express interest in the manner.
For instance, Scyley Jam/Victoria J said in her first porn video filmed by Giorgio, right at the end of the movie,
that a rough sex video would be something that she wants to do.

I don't seek to watch or read interviews to the models, but across many years I have stumbled upon a few of them,
and when Giorgio just puts them at the end of the video is kinda hard to not watch them, right?
to know that some women do find attractive the idea of being fucked hard, manhandled, etc,
some women even claimed to want to be raped, in a controlled environment so to speak, (role-playing).
Those are the perfect models for rough sex videos.

That's all for now, to be continued.

Here are some examples of good penetration that fits the rough sex catergory.

Linda Sweet

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Roxy Dee

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Kate Sottile

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Angel Smalls

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Veronica Clark

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Victoria J

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