Effects of war in Ukraine on Europorn?

[dap-addict]

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments!

For instance:
I see stress level rising due to influx of refugees in Czech.
Inflation is rising, customers are likely to spend less money on commodity. On the other hand ppl wanna flee reality and invest more in entertainment.

Porn sex act fees were berserking last 2-3 years, now they might come under pressure. Basic DAP going rate might even drop under 1k for the first time in Prague.

Import routes get cut by airways like Aeroflot cut out of EU destinations. Same for the Kiev-Prague air import route due to war. Will this favor Southern EU and Latin American imports?

Fact is also girls will wanna work because porn is fast and easy money in a healthy environment. This factor stays. But will EU-wide porn start age shift be lowered again?


Sure forgot some questions...
What do insiders and analyzing users think where Europorn biz may be by end of 2022?

[dap-addict]

Side note: Beauty paired with commitment always sells!

"My first scene was awful, but I liked it" (Anna Rey)

[zeusanalfreak299]

Thanks for opening this thread and adding a disclaimer.

I have similar questions. My thoughts may sound selfish, but I just want to be as rational and factual as possible.

Will we also have a lot of economic refugees from Russia in the medium to long term?
Especially young women who will be looking for the fast money as newcomers? And, if the situation eases politically and blanket entry bans for the Russian population are lifted.

Or if alternatively a Sineplex SOS 2.0 studio will be opened in Russia to produce hardcore material on the level of GG and Gonzo?
With an enormous amount of interracial porn. Then the question would be whether the content is (allowed to be) offered here?

It would also be interesting to know whether it would be possible to switch to countries like Hungary, if only the Czech Republic issues permanent entry bans for Russian citizens?

I have also always wondered if shooting on set would continue to be sufficient employment and reason for a visa?

[dap-addict]

Will we also have a lot of economic refugees from Russia in the medium to long term?

At this moment refugees to Czech are mainly from Ukraine and some exotic foreigners who worked or studied there. There is a small local Ebony porn potential actually arriving currently. Selfish answer maybe, but let me just state the facts.
In medium and long turn Russians might find their way to Czech too, but not now. There is already a Russian community here of course, but its a very limited talent pool.

[YumYum74]

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments!

I understand and agree with this disclaimer, but if I look at the majority of the people on this forum, then I fear the topic will degrade to those kinds of posts anyway.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

European porn (such as what is on here at LP/AV) will need to adapt to the tougher economic times. Families are feeling the squeeze of inflation and reduced disposable income as a result of the economic sanctions.

As such, European porn will have to get more extreme in order to convince fans/customers to pay up with what little spare cash they have left.
That is my belief on the medium to long term.

[dap-addict]

As such, European porn will have to get more extreme in order to convince fans/customers to pay up with what little spare cash they have left.

Users are not only in Europe, thus I am not sure about the extreme.
But Europorn has indeed to dwell on its different legacy from US porn in order to attract also US customers looking for more daring alternatives.

Generally we have a fetish-zation of porn, meaning just sex doenst sell anymore. If by extreme you refer to that, I do agree. Wet move of LP showed exactly this. But there are different fetish plays, recently we see a rise of pretty soft footfetish plays added to the main anal porn sex menu for instance.

[dap-addict]

Btw, lets not washout this thread to general porn trends discussion.
Money to spend on porn will be less ofc, but girls and studs fees will drop under economic pressure as well. Studio rent costs will probably rise, though.

Talent pool might get more narrow due to flight stops. But it might also widen up with new population influx.Just met some nice looking Nigerian student girls evacuated at the station, they wanna continue their studies and need money. Just 1 example based on RL daily life experience.

[TheVulture]

European porn (such as what is on here at LP/AV) will need to adapt to the tougher economic times. Families are feeling the squeeze of inflation and reduced disposable income as a result of the economic sanctions.

As such, European porn will have to get more extreme in order to convince fans/customers to pay up with what little spare cash they have left.
That is my belief on the medium to long term.

1st point is very valid.

2nd point doesn't follow from 1st point. Porn will just have to be of a very high standard to continue to attract cash from a less affluent customer base. That doesn't by definition mean that it has to be more extreme. The reverse could quite easily be true. For AV/LP I would think most of their customers will remain but perhaps spend a little less. They may need to trim their production and certainly consider what sells best but again, this does not by definition mean gravitating towards more extreme content.

Apologies to OP who didn't want a general porn discussion. I don't have any specific input re: events in Ukraine but I couldn't let that comment go unchallenged.

[drevokocur66]

I think with the recession just about here, my guess, 2023, we will see hotter talent, willing to do more, simply because of the amount competition. I just hope the studios take advantage of this to bring us more creative, and some fun hardcore scenes, and not use it to go cheap route, and bring us garbage, simply because they can pay the models less. Push the envelope a little, have some fun doing it. Hide the cookie cutter please.

[bdsmpretty]

I hope the forum sees no increase *at all* in models' 'willingness' to enter the industry, nor any increase in the 'hardness' of the content produced.
'Willingness' can be used as a euphemism for 'desperation'. Not in all cases, but the potential is there.
And the same applies to expectations of an increase in 'hardness' ('extreme' the word someone used) of content produced. Beware any potential route to the exploitation of performers.

If women are unwilling to enter the industry at all (re willingness), or engage in that nature of content (re hardness/extreme) prior to March 2022, but feel pressure to engage in it after that date (ie. they find they are unable to get hired if they won't) that is a pretty good indicator that you are on the route to expolitation.

The ideal social climate in which to produce adult content is stability and some degree of prosperity (at least not a recession). Women can make rational and informed choices in that context.
Inevitably, society always has emotional and financial pressures that will be factors performers will be negotiating within that. But the more stable the society, the more likely it is that women who are considering entering the industry will be able make choices that reflect their true feelings, thoughts, needs.

And the vice versa applies. And people need to really take that on board.
Women under great emotional/psychological stress, facing poverty, and enduring homelessness, as a consequence of displacement (mainly affecting Ukrainians) or sanctions (mainly affecting Russians) or impoverishment (effecting both, and also including Northern EU countries generally, as a result of commodity-inflation-led recesssion and govts directing funds away from social spending and into increased military spending), will not be able to make decisions of the same clarity of judgement.

As I say, beware the route to exploitation, the potential for which grows exponentially in the above miserable circumstance.
And no apologies from me if that explanation of the lay of the land is too 'womens' lib/bra-burning/preachy/etc' for some. It needs to be said, as a starting point to any discussion of the issue.

Next thing.

From the above perspective, I suspect (seems highly likely to me, though I am not an insider) directors/producers do not want to see performers entering the industry for the wrong reasons.
They (I suspect) want performers who have thought long and hard about what they are getting into (considered informed consent), and are not struggling (under overwhelming outside pressure) to engage in acts that they are not psychologically/emotianally/pysically prepared for. That doesn't make for a positive and safe creative working environment.

The majority of pro studios (with a reputation to protect) will not push models who are not ready into shooting acts they are clearly not ready or prepared to engage in, or even shoot the scene at all if the performer is not coping with the situation.
That leads to abandoned shoots, and productions costs invested that result in no content to sell.
And that's putting to one side the most serious issue of how that affects the potential models. It could be profoundly traumatic for them.

So while some may think that the welcome will be throwing open the doors to anyone who says they want to shoot, the reality is that it will probably make production life far more costly and stressful for those studios as they endeavour to work out (through trial and error) which potential new performers are there as a consequence of considered informed consent, and which are throwing themselves into something they are not ready for, purely as a result of desperate personal circumstances.

[bdsmpretty]

Couple of other points. Political, as the travel and payment aspects of this equation are directly impacted by politics.

Travel/work restrictions placed against Russian citizens I expect to endure and get worse. The political reason for this is that now, as the intended result of its ramped-up sanctions mission (this point behind the Ukraine project) the US has finally managed to prise EU countries away from access to Russian commodities.
As a consequence, their future acccess to those commodities will now be controlled by the US.

This means EU vassal state govts must now compete with each other (in a fight to the death) for US favour (and so access to the vital commodities their economies rely on), or risk being ostracised and cut off from them if they refuse to kiss the US ring. Politicians who do try to resist (eg. Melenchon in France currently talking about France leaving NATO) will face increasing pressure from the electorate to give in to US demands (more austerity/privatisation, increased military spending) as living standards crash as a result of their countries being sanctioned by the US next for not doing as they are told by Washington.
And if that fails, the US will coup them (with compliant/inter-competing EU states help). See Ukraine for reference.

That is why you should expect EU countries to get so ugly and toxic towards the Russian community in coming years. They will be competing with each other to come up with the nastiest most hostile sanctions/trave-visa restrictions etc to please their US masters, or suffer. And the increased Ukrainian anti-Russian presence in those countries now will only magnify that.

Transfer of funds is another factor.

Currently Russia is cut of from SWIFT, but they have negotiated inter-bank transfers continuing via China via CIPS.
The intial US Foregin Policy hope was that by provoking Russia into an invasion (using NATO encroachment via Ukraine, so breaching Russia Red Lines re expansion), that would cast Russia as an untouchable paraiah on the international stage to such an extent that China would side with the US against them (to inevitably be attacked by the US at a later date).
China is not stupid, so ultimately this recent episode has only made the Russa-China strategic partnership grow stronger.
Obviously, once the dust settles on the Ukraine project, the US will return to attacking China (as it has been for decades).

For that reason, the US will soon start demanding anglophone and EU countries isolate themselves from China too.
Last year Chinese GDP surpassed all the EU countries combined. The fastest growing economy for decades, while the West has stagnated for decades. Chinese GDP had long been set to overtake US GDP within 5 years, but with inflation off-the-scale as it is, it wil be sooner.

In a sane world, EU countries would see that success as a golden opportunity to tap into to reinvigorate their economies. And it is (their only hope in fact). But while that may be an obvious route to success for EU countries, the US would increasingly find itself excluded from opportunites to expolit the EU in that scenario, so they won't allow it to happen.
Instead (on some pretext or other, Taiwan/Xinjaing, the Ukraine project rebooted) EU countries will be pressured by the US to go sanctions-max and completely cut their economies off from access to China financially/economically imminently.

When that happens (to return to topic) the issue will not only be about the effects on performers, but about whether western consumers can even afford pay for anything more than their soaring rents and utility bills (and military budgets, of course) anymore.
So karma always catches up with bad faith actors in time.
By which I mean (returning to topic) the 'choices' which you may be wishing on the daughters of others now (re 'choices' and 'extreme') may soon be the 'choices' faced by your own children. Without access to Russian commodities or China's growth, EU economies (and so their societies' values and stabilty) will be locked into permanent irreversible decline.

For that reason, it truly is in everyones' best interest that only those women who genuinely want to be performing infront of the camera (considered informed consent, their choices not made out of desperation), appear there.

[dap-addict]

Update on Europorn ex-USSR talent import:
Dont see any change yet with the main Russian porn girl importer. Still lots of choice in April.
Less specialized agencies have more Ukrainian girls meanwhile.
Generally same sex acts, no significant upgrading.

[misangrenegra2]

Very interesting thread Dap-addict.

The inflaction of the money is increasing, is a reality that a lot of thing are rising the prices, i think even here the TKT price its inscreased a little these days.

Probably the studios will try to keep a good bunch of professionals to shoot and keep a balance of scenes because the travel payments/cost productions will be more expensive

Maybe the studios would be obligate to increase the prices = more expensive buy porn.

Some of you mentioned the kind of porn for shoot to atract/consolidate the customer, i dont think they should increase the extreme of the scenes, maybe try other kind of scenes to catch new costumers (lesbian, blowbang,, or whatever) but the inflation could rise the prices of the cost, i dont believe that if the studios are more extreme this would helps to consolidate a big base of costumers, currently the customer still being here even with the last rise of prices of the last years, even when the "quality" have their ups and downs

About the recruiting new girls from the affected zones could be a reality but like bdmspretty said, the situation is different, one thing that has been a rule in porn for the east girls is the fact of live in "poor" countries and the necessity to find an easy/confident job as can be porn to earn money. In this cases they weren't under a crisis ocassionated by a war and a hard emotional moments like nowadays.

Some of them will try enter in porn? i think in 2 groups, one desesperate trying to find an exist to this situation and find something quick. other group could be some girls that they maybe thought to enter in the industry but not was a real need until today, their situation can be something better and they could give a try.

The studios should be aware about this possible arrive of new girls on this situation.

[Iddaoeeok]

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No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Well, that worked.

[dap-addict]

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
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[Iddaoeeok]

I'm not sure why you expected this thread to turn out any other way, dap-addict, given the people who are posting in the forum these days.

[vvvv84335]

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

In all fairness, when you create a thread like this it is impossible to not bring politics into as they are completely interlinked.

[vvvv84335]

I'm not sure why you expected this thread to turn out any other way, dap-addict, given the people who are posting in the forum these days.

You can't really discuss these topics without politics though. It's possible to stay civilized while doing this though.

[Iddaoeeok]

I'm not sure why you expected this thread to turn out any other way, dap-addict, given the people who are posting in the forum these days.

You can't really discuss these topics without politics though. It's possible to stay civilized while doing this though.

It was being discussed without politics until two posters decided to ignore dap-a's pleas and hit us with their usual self-indulgent garbage.

[dap-addict]

There is enough threads to discuss these politics already!

Im am interested in the effects of that war on porn. 1 recent example:
Girls coming to work from Russia to Prague can't fly directly anymore, but they can easily fly to Riga and than travel by bus to St. Petersburg and/or Moscow and from there fly or travel by train/bus where they live.
It makes their trip longer, but not more expensive really. Studios dont have to pay more to get them work in Prague. Now will longer trips lead to less Russian talent working on Prague porn sets?

[vvvv84335]

There is enough threads to discuss these politics already!

Im am interested in the effects of that war on porn. 1 recent example:
Girls coming to work from Russia to Prague can't fly directly anymore, but they can easily fly to Riga and than travel by bus to St. Petersburg and/or Moscow and from there fly or travel by train/bus where they live.
It makes their trip longer, but not more expensive really. Studios dont have to pay more to get them work in Prague. Now will longer trips lead to less Russian talent working on Prague porn sets?

These and more are consequences of all wars. You'll see poverty rise all over the world due to inflation and rising energy prices.

[vvvv84335]

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Sorry, sorry apologies. I read excellent post by BDSMPretty and went straight to write.

I will go back on topic: The Ukraine will have measurable negative impact on sex workers in EU because less Russian and Belarus girls will be in Europe.
Ukraine girls MAY increase?

But again, now these refugee girls may be granted permit to work regular jobs. Some who do sex work may find another path. So perhaps no real increase.

I think the individual who goes into porn is such an outlier that even this may not matter and it increase.


Also, soon impoverishment of EU may mean more lower class girls and girls of immigrant background may enter porn. Less and less jobs for Europe=less jobs and money support for lowest rung=more poor girls and immigrant girls enter porn.


Youth population of native European is shrinking fast, more Arab, Turk, Pakistan girls, African girls (Zawaaadi prototype????) will be marketed. I believe a lot of men simply will learn to enjoy this new phenotype or perhaps will settle for wanking OF pics and old porn catalog. Studio porn will be less commonly made.

There may be less money to pay for porn actors, or it may have the opposite effect: social isolation and depression due to war may lead to more porn consumption, similar to the pandemic. So the war + pandemic combined may increase both consumption and talent availibility due to a lack of jobs as you say.

[bdsmpretty]

There may be less money to pay for porn actors, or it may have the opposite effect: social isolation and depression due to war may lead to more porn consumption, similar to the pandemic. So the war + pandemic combined may increase both consumption and talent availibility due to a lack of jobs as you say.

Inevitable economic recession (EU/UK swapping cheap and plentiful Russian gas for expensive/limited US/UAE LNG, combined with EU/UK turning back on any attempt to improve public income/welfare in favour of increased military spending - from US weapons manufacturers) will result in both a huge and inevitable decline in living standards and loss of disposable income, and a hige rise in depression.
Look at what happened in Russia in the 1990s for your historical precendent (that crisis also designed and managed by the US).

WIll 'consumption' of porn increase as a consequence?
I think it will, inevitably, as engagement in all escapist behaviours (drink, drugs, gaming, gambling, etc) increase during recessions.
But the crucial qualifiyier to 'consumption' in this case is 'paying consumption'. Consumption will inevitably increase, while the likelihood is (dramatic decline in living standards/disposable income) that 'paying consumption' will fall, maybe even crash.

So I have a feeling that the model at Pornbox may have to change from the current model to a monthly 'all you can eat for X Euros) model, or even a pay per scene, just to hang on to increasinly impoverished consumers who still feel a commitment to support porn perfrmers and producers (who deserve to berenumerated for their work, just as anyone else who works).

Long-term, 5-10 years, I think the adult industry is really going to struggle, cheap camming options may replace it the least unstable econmies (EU big countries), and outright prostitution may replace it in those far less stable (recent EU joiners).
This is sad for those who value the adult industry, and all the efforts of all the performers and pruducers who contribute to it, and sadder still for those potential performers who, in better times, could have hoped for an adult career, but may now end up selling themselves on the streets.
The adult industry may have faults at times, and invlove bad actors at times, but in generally it is a huge improvement on the prostitution because the performers are clean, earning are paid, and models are not controlled by violence/intimidation.

All I can say is Europeans have to start holding their politicins to account, and seriously asking themslves if the consts of NATO membership and ever-increasing US financial enslavement (the parasite that kills the host) is the direction you want your country to be going in. Assert your sovereignty. As the song goes 'if you tolerate this, then your children will be next'.

Finally, apologies to OP if my comment has too many politcal reasons for why this and why that, but if I just say 'I think this and I think that' without giving the why and the context, it won't make sense to those who don't understand the why and the context.

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[bdsmpretty]

Apologies for too many typos to correct above. Feast on them.

[alekseich]

Well, ony effect I can see is big increase of ukrainian girls and small decrrease of russian girls. Feel for Ukraine, but us good for porn. (I know it is bad and barbaric statement, but I try to stay objective)

[dap-addict]

and small decrrease of russian girls

I dont see any decrees of Russian exports to EU yet with the main provider.

[alekseich]

and small decrrease of russian girls

I dont see any decrees of Russian exports to EU yet with the main provider.

wait till borders will be closed

[dap-addict]

At this moment the main road is via Riga - bus & plane.
Alternative can be run with 2 flights via Turkey but its expensive.

[sexaddict251]

Countries are using their own currencies for international trade. Means USD's value is going to drop, East was self sustainable, but had to depend USD for international transactions, to get USD for a country, they have to buy USD or they have to make a trade deal with US, US is not the biggest producer of anything currently, so the value of money of biggest producers are going to increase, it only appears as gold is controlling the world economy, it's not, it's agricultural produces, when there is no food, gold has no value, biggest producers are China, Russia and India, Chinese tech, Russuan oil & Indian agri produce, together they control world economy, if anyone put any sanctions on any of these countries world economy will collapse. So the net effect is american porn will become cheap...

[alekseich]

At this moment the main road is via Riga - bus & plane.
Alternative can be run with 2 flights via Turkey but its expensive.

It is not about logistics. I mean when EU will stop giving working and tourist visas to russian sitizens, or russian government will make it illegal to get visa to EU

[dap-addict]

As for the moment Hungary is still issuing Schengen visas for Russian citizens. And most EU porn imports usually went via Budapest since 2006 or so. Dont see this changing with Orban. Better discuss that option when its really all-EU decided and all-EU implemented.

[alekseich]

As for the moment Hungary is still issuing Schengen visas for Russian citizens. And most EU porn imports usually went via Budapest since 2006 or so. Dont see this changing with Orban. Better discuss that option when its really all-EU decided and all-EU implemented.

Hope you are rigth, but in this crazy time everything possible

[dap-addict]

Checked back on leading agencies today again and I still dont see any change. Russian girls still can travel to EU porn productions, Ukrainian models haven't increased in numbers still. It looks like it was at beginning of the year since.

There seems to get more uneven distribution of Russian and Ukrainian girls staying in EU though. More Russian girls seem to choose Bp, while more Ukrainian girls Prg for longer stays. I hope this will mix again and that performers will not import politics on porn sets. But I heard of some very stupid anti-russian comments on porn sets, such as if these girls had a say in Russian leaders decisions. Its crazy and I hope that stops!

[avanfurwet]

Checked back on leading agencies today again and I still dont see any change. Russian girls still can travel to EU porn productions, Ukrainian models haven't increased in numbers still. It looks like it was at beginning of the year since.

There seems to get more uneven distribution of Russian and Ukrainian girls staying in EU though. More Russian girls seem to choose Bp, while more Ukrainian girls Prg for longer stays. I hope this will mix again and that performers will not import politics on porn sets. But I heard of some very stupid anti-russian comments on porn sets, such as if these girls had a say in Russian leaders decisions. Its crazy and I hope that stops!

I think:

More Ukrainian girls may be willing to enter (or remain in) porn to make money because their poor country has been trashed by Putin's war.

More Russian girls likewise may be willing because their domestic economy is now royally fubar'd.

But routes to market for Russian girls will become more difficult as the Putin regime becomes ever more isolationist and repressive. I think access to global travel, banking, news and internet will become ever more difficult from within Russia. Further, their information about the world outside Russia seems to have been replaced by soviet-style propaganda portraying all western countries exclusively as dark, dangerous and untrustworthy places (think RT news on steroids).

So Russian girls may find it easier to work with friendly local Russian porn producers than to jump through the hoops needed to travel and shoot abroad. Russian-based studios will need to become even smarter and more agile to evade state repression and sell their wares outside Russia.

It makes sense to me that Russian girls who do travel to Europe may anticipate finding a more friendly welcome in Orban's Hungary than in Czech Republic. Pornbox owners have production resources in Hungary as well as capacity to buy in product from Hungary.

It's sad that stupid anti-Russian comments are made on porn sets, or anywhere, since it's not the fault of ordinary Russians that they are misled by Putin and his placemen.

[dap-addict]

One more thing I didnt think about is OF being closed for Russian girls due to Swift and Paypal sanctions. It will set Russian studios in favorable position like EU studios had before OF options, girls will be more interested to work for them.

[alekseich]

OF closing down in Russia and Belarus is actually good. OF is RUINING porn, want this shit closed forever

[xxxVIPERxxx]

OF closing down in Russia and Belarus is actually good. OF is RUINING porn, want this shit closed forever

I agree OF is a detriment to porn.

[dap-addict]

If the lost income is provided by local studios in Russia its for sure good. But if not girls just loose money. I'd see is as an option for local studios. Most girls are sure ready to work a bit more often on porn sets.

[avanfurwet]

One more thing I didnt think about is OF being closed for Russian girls due to Swift and Paypal sanctions. It will set Russian studios in favorable position like EU studios had before OF options, girls will be more interested to work for them.

Possibly OF will start to accept cryptocurrencies in future, (and still claim their hands are clean)?
Possibly some Russian girls can find trusted partners (relatives or friends) with access to Paypal etc. who can help them out by receiving their OF payments and transmit onwards to Russia in bitcoin or roubles?
I guess the more determined and entrepreneurial girls will always find ways to do business, especially as domestic recession bites down hard inside Russia.
OF was a goldmine for some Russian girls. Without LonelyFans I think there will be a big revival in the old-school "Russian girlfriend" penpal scams.