Effects of war in Ukraine on Europorn?

[dap-addict]

As far as I can see from about August Russian talent import should increase again. Its not hight numbers, but fair ones. Sadly some will do only softcore, but there is a fair amount of anal hardcore friendly girls, too. - Traveling remains difficult and expensive logistically.

[alekseich]

Can someone make list of Ukrainian girls that started to do porn only after war and appeared on LP?

[Ultra-Gape]

Can someone make list of Ukrainian girls that started to do porn only after war and appeared on LP?

I wouldn't be surprised if that list had nobody on it.

[Ultra-Gape]

Possibly one if this is truly her first ever scene:

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/176837

[alekseich]

Possibly one if this is truly her first ever scene:

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/176837

One-hit wonder and even no DP, sad

[alekseich]

I am actually very surpeized that there are not at least 10 new ukrainian honeys on LP since that war started. Seems like welfares for refugees in europe not so little

[Ultra-Gape]

I am actually very surpeized that there are not at least 10 new ukrainian honeys on LP since that war started. Seems like welfares for refugees in europe not so little

I'm not sure I understand your point? If there suddenly had been a huge increase I'd rather think there would be concerns raised about exploitation of a desperate situation?

[dap-addict]

Seems like welfares for refugees in europe not so little

Reads like you'd wanna help the anti-porn crowd!
Refugee communities are sure no place for porn scouts!

All Ukrainian honey so far was in porn anyway.
Also proposing as well as takeing opportunities has nothing to do with exploitation!

[alekseich]

I am actually very surpeized that there are not at least 10 new ukrainian honeys on LP since that war started. Seems like welfares for refugees in europe not so little

I'm not sure I understand your point? If there suddenly had been a huge increase I'd rather think there would be concerns raised about exploitation of a desperate situation?

there is no point in my thought - I am not suggesting anything. Just state the facts

[alekseich]

Refugee communities are sure no place for porn scouts!

Why? It is legal job in some countries of EU. As legal as being waitress or working on factory

[dap-addict]

Misunderstanding probably: They can try their luck ofc, they basically have just an entertainment job option, but I dont think they will be very successful, there's just better places and communities to recruit for this job than amongst ppl anxious for their relatives in a war situation at home all day.

[alekseich]

Misunderstanding probably: They can try their luck ofc, they basically have just an entertainment job option, but I dont think they will be very successful, there's just better places and communities to recruit for this job than amongst ppl anxious for their relatives in a war situation at home all day.

Yeah, I guess a bit misunderstanding. Agree with all you said in that statement

[xxxVIPERxxx]

As more and more events unfold, and the Russia vs. Ukraine war prolongs...I cannot help but feel we are at a tipping point soon.

There are escalating tensions between China and Taiwan, with the prospect of a potential Third World War becoming more real every week.

I think if the Russia vs. Ukraine war prolongs, and China invades Taiwan, we will be looking at a catastrophic breaking point.

Europorn as we know it, may only exist as a fledgling fraction of its former peak.

At times like this, serious global recession concerns, hyperinflation, stock market volatility, war...I often think to myself, why can't people just get along with each other???

[dap-addict]

There is quite a big import of Russian girls planned for Aug/Sept.
Slow down on Ukrainian front. Might be temporary, though.

Generally visa question seems solved as the import of Kitty Doll to Prague has shown. Travel options are limited and extremely expensive, though.

[alekseich]

BTW, Legalporno have a model that actually born in China?

[Pineapples Studio]

Don’t tell Xi.

Anyway, y’all gotta chill with this refugee shit. Their country is being destroyed by a foreign invader. Let them live their lives in peace. If they choose to do porn, that’s their business.

[netzerkaiser]

I am actually very surpeized that there are not at least 10 new ukrainian honeys on LP since that war started. Seems like welfares for refugees in europe not so little

I'm not sure I understand your point? If there suddenly had been a huge increase I'd rather think there would be concerns raised about exploitation of a desperate situation?

there is no point in my thought - I am not suggesting anything. Just state the facts

I agree. I see no lust for exploitation here in Alekseich's post.

Merely an observation.

I myself am surprised, from if you like to call it a sociological position (if that sounds pretentious so be it) that this dreadful crisis hasn't produced more 'Babes'.

[dap-addict]

It will happen a bit later I think.
But I dont expect much of an increase of Ukrainian honey.
They really have other problems basically!

This said:

If they choose to do porn, that’s their business.

+ 1


Most important I see at this moment is: Russian porn talent import isn't affected by the war really - except higher travel costs.

[bdsmpretty]

That Europe *so far* has accepted refugees in large numbers fleeing the conflict in Ukraine is a positive (and humane) thing, bearing in mind that (as with all NATO-backed wars) they are primarily responsible for fomenting and catalysing the conflict by arming, training and politically backing (on a domestic and international scale) a corrupt far right regime that was supposed to be de-escalating tensions to secure a peace between the west and east of Ukraine (Minsk/Minsk 2).

We now know that Poroshenko (by his recent proud and public declaration) only (and cynically) agreed to sign the Minsk agreements to buy more time for Ukraine to further arm and train with their Western NATO partners, in order to eventually attack and drive the Russian-speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians (who have always lived in Ukraine) out of the country altogether. Either slaughter them in their homes or force them to flee into Russia.

By no coincidence at all, this was also the aim of an enthusiastic Nazi/Ukraine alliance during WW2 (see Bandera and the OUN) and their shared goal of 'Lebensraum'.
And so this same goal (based on the same old ethnic hatreds, handed down through generations) survives (and was thriving, at least until February this year) in the ideology of the current NATO/Kiev Regime (and in the minds of those currently under spell of NATO propaganda).
In essence, violent and racist 'Old Colonial Europe' still doing what violent and racist 'Old Colonial Europe' always did.

For that reason, since Europe chose to support the NATO-aligned Kiev govt's ambitions for conflict (despite all polls consistently showing that a large majority the Ukrainian population wanted a peaceful resolution to their west-east issue), Europe/UK now *owes bigtime* those Ukrainian refugees caught in the middle a safe home (temporary or permanent), and the means to survive ongoing (until the conflict reaches a conclusion by which they may have the option to return or to request permanent shelter in Europe).
Sadly (for the Ukrainian refugees' sake, not the corrupt Kiev regimes' sake) I don't think that support will last.

Currently, Europeans are happy to change their social media avatars to Ukrainian flags and post pro-Ukraine/anti-Russia memes 24-7, because they are all cheap and easy means to score virute credits among their peers (the Road to Hell being paved not only with 'good intentions' but 'convenience').
But this autum-winter the EU/UK will be forced (by collapsing economic and political circumstances) to behold the iceberg of economic costs of indulging a long-term US/Kiev Govt proxy war with Russia. And they will rightly recognise those costs to be ruinous.
Will those same allies still stand solid while utility bills are doubling/tripling, while unemployment is doubling/tripling, and while rent/housing costs are soaring (increased demand and stagnant supply)?
Or will the EU public and their maistream media begin to turn on those desperate Ukrainains as a convenient scapegoat for their own failings ('They are Slavs not Europeans!', 'They brought it upon themselves!', 'Poland/Germany/Italy/etc for the Poles/Germans/Italians/etc!')?
By way of a precendet, how do NATO allies currently treat refugees from Africa and the Middle East, fleeing NATO armed and supported conflicts in those countries?
Are the doors still open? Or are they now consistenly treated as a burden and as an enemy?

As things stand it's a wonderful and commendable thing (respect to EU for that, if not much else, for the time being) that there has been no significant uptick in new Ukrainain models entering the world of xxx (Maya White being one extremely beautiful and talented exception, to check out and support if you don't already).

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Maya's forum thread.
viewtopic.php?f=104&t=44747&p=684230&hilit=maya+white#p677642

'Sociologically speaking' these things should remain at a stable and predictible constant (modulating only on a generation-to-generation timescale, not mere months). Therefore any rapid and significant increase in numbers in a particular nationality or ethnicity within a country would signal that something has gone seriously wrong within that group, and that sheer desperation is forcing them as a group into seeking to generate the very means they need for survival via routes they would (under normal circumstances) never want to engage in.

There will always be a very small minority (a fration of a fraction) of women who are fascinated and excited enough by the adult industry to want to seek to participate in it themselves.
While there will always be a *huge* majority of women who do no want to get involved (even among those who are eager consumers of adult content).
The reasons why not may vary from 'wanting to, but lacking confidence' in either their abilities or their appearnace, to taking a strong moral/political/religious stance on the issue.
All these reasons should be valued and respected, as a woman's right to determine her own fate.

So while I will always welcome every new Ukrainian model to the site who is entering the industry with open eyes and for all the right personal reasons, for the reason stated above, I also sincerely hope (and this as someone who thinks Ukrainian women are famously and consipcuously gorgeous, as a much loved cohort of Eastern European femininity) that there is no significant increase in those entering the business in the short-to-medium term. If it does, we should be very concerned.

[bdsmpretty]

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You are welcome.

[dap-addict]

Mayor agencies dont list new Russian imports for Aug/Sept anymore.
Hope this is just temporary, the more as GIO managed to transfer quite a few Russian girls to Prague in July. Paying a lot for flights though, but it was possible.
If EU entry option is really getting cut - which would take some time anyway - only Serbia stays as European porn alternative.

[dap-addict]

edit:
Europorn alternative.
Studs needed to get flown in, which makes it all really expensive and logistically difficult.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

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You are welcome.

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[dap-addict]

Mayor agencies dont list new Russian imports for Aug/Sept anymore.

Correction: Main Russian talent importer still has quite a lot of Russian girls scheduled - and even for October. Too many softcore only, but also some anal hardcore options.

[AndrewJon]

The number of Ukrainian women has has sharply increased on escort and webcam sites (but still there are fewer of them than the Russians). But not many new Ukrainians appeared in porn. I wonder why? I would like to see more hot Ukrainian women in porn (especially anal)

[AndrewJon]

I support Ukraine, and I am against sexual exploitation. But if some of the Ukrainian girls voluntarily choose to work in erotica and porn, then this may have a positive impact on this industry. Because Ukrainian women are incredibly beautiful, very hardworking and very good at sex.

[dap-addict]

I support Ukraine, and I am against sexual exploitation. But if some of the Ukrainian girls voluntarily choose to work in erotica and porn, then this may have a positive impact on this industry.

There is a slight rise of Ukrainian girls in adult agencies September offers, but its still marginal.
Also some new Russian EU imports are planned or have already arrived.

[dap-addict]

Baltics and Poland visa alert: These countries stop issuing national and Schengen visas to Russian citizens from Monday onwards. Lithuania and Poland also stop travels of Russians with still valid visas from Kaliningrad to EU.

The Kaliningrad passage was a marginal import route since girls usually fly via Dubai, but it was always an option still.

[Conscious_Gentile]

Couple of other points. Political, as the travel and payment aspects of this equation are directly impacted by politics.

Travel/work restrictions placed against Russian citizens I expect to endure and get worse. The political reason for this is that now, as the intended result of its ramped-up sanctions mission (this point behind the Ukraine project) the US has finally managed to prise EU countries away from access to Russian commodities.
As a consequence, their future acccess to those commodities will now be controlled by the US.

This means EU vassal state govts must now compete with each other (in a fight to the death) for US favour (and so access to the vital commodities their economies rely on), or risk being ostracised and cut off from them if they refuse to kiss the US ring. Politicians who do try to resist (eg. Melenchon in France currently talking about France leaving NATO) will face increasing pressure from the electorate to give in to US demands (more austerity/privatisation, increased military spending) as living standards crash as a result of their countries being sanctioned by the US next for not doing as they are told by Washington.
And if that fails, the US will coup them (with compliant/inter-competing EU states help). See Ukraine for reference.

That is why you should expect EU countries to get so ugly and toxic towards the Russian community in coming years. They will be competing with each other to come up with the nastiest most hostile sanctions/trave-visa restrictions etc to please their US masters, or suffer. And the increased Ukrainian anti-Russian presence in those countries now will only magnify that.

Transfer of funds is another factor.

Currently Russia is cut of from SWIFT, but they have negotiated inter-bank transfers continuing via China via CIPS.
The intial US Foregin Policy hope was that by provoking Russia into an invasion (using NATO encroachment via Ukraine, so breaching Russia Red Lines re expansion), that would cast Russia as an untouchable paraiah on the international stage to such an extent that China would side with the US against them (to inevitably be attacked by the US at a later date).
China is not stupid, so ultimately this recent episode has only made the Russa-China strategic partnership grow stronger.
Obviously, once the dust settles on the Ukraine project, the US will return to attacking China (as it has been for decades).

For that reason, the US will soon start demanding anglophone and EU countries isolate themselves from China too.
Last year Chinese GDP surpassed all the EU countries combined. The fastest growing economy for decades, while the West has stagnated for decades. Chinese GDP had long been set to overtake US GDP within 5 years, but with inflation off-the-scale as it is, it wil be sooner.

In a sane world, EU countries would see that success as a golden opportunity to tap into to reinvigorate their economies. And it is (their only hope in fact). But while that may be an obvious route to success for EU countries, the US would increasingly find itself excluded from opportunites to expolit the EU in that scenario, so they won't allow it to happen.
Instead (on some pretext or other, Taiwan/Xinjaing, the Ukraine project rebooted) EU countries will be pressured by the US to go sanctions-max and completely cut their economies off from access to China financially/economically imminently.

When that happens (to return to topic) the issue will not only be about the effects on performers, but about whether western consumers can even afford pay for anything more than their soaring rents and utility bills (and military budgets, of course) anymore.
So karma always catches up with bad faith actors in time.
By which I mean (returning to topic) the 'choices' which you may be wishing on the daughters of others now (re 'choices' and 'extreme') may soon be the 'choices' faced by your own children. Without access to Russian commodities or China's growth, EU economies (and so their societies' values and stabilty) will be locked into permanent irreversible decline.

For that reason, it truly is in everyones' best interest that only those women who genuinely want to be performing infront of the camera (considered informed consent, their choices not made out of desperation), appear there.

Great freaking post

[dap-addict]

Main Russian porn girl EU importer has no Russia based models listed for Oct.
Neither hard, nor softcore.

[feltrough]

Main Russian porn girl EU importer has no Russia based models listed for Oct.
Neither hard, nor softcore.

hm thats not good

[netzerkaiser]

I support Ukraine, and I am against sexual exploitation. But if some of the Ukrainian girls voluntarily choose to work in erotica and porn, then this may have a positive impact on this industry.

There is a slight rise of Ukrainian girls in adult agencies September offers, but its still marginal.
Also some new Russian EU imports are planned or have already arrived.

+2

I don't support Putin, but always 2 sides to a story.

Thanks.

[dap-addict]

This is a mayor blow by Czech govt. against Russian short-time porn workers:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cz ... 022-10-12/

It might cut so far still working import routes for new Russian girls.
Remains to be seen whether it applies on airports only or also land routes.

[Greendevil1970]

This is a mayor blow by Czech govt. against Russian short-time porn workers:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cz ... 022-10-12/

It might cut so far still working import routes for new Russian girls.
Remains to be seen whether it applies on airports only or also land routes.

The situation is getting worse and worse for Russian porn actresses, even if they want to leave the country forever. I'm not familiar with emigrating, is that even possible at the present time?

[dap-addict]

Emigration isn't that easy for sure. A friend was not let to the Finish border when she wanted to travel for porn work to Prague via Helsinki. She finally had to fly via Dubai. Extremely expensive and studio didnt return all her travel costs. Another problem is that only after 3 tourist 14-28 days-visas for Schengen Russians can get 1-year visas, if they dont overstay ofc. Given long travel hours and tests to be made first in Prague lab with short visas girls can shoot 5-6 scenes maximum per work stay.

[Greendevil1970]

Thank you, really a shame. I'm afraid bad times are coming for me/us. I'm a big fan of Russian porn stars. And they don't deserve all these strict travel restrictions.

[dap-addict]

There is another side effect of the illegal immigration via Balkan route likely to also hit Russian passport holders I wasnt aware about really: Rising illegal immigration of Arabs and Asians have prompted Hungary, Austria, Czech and Slovakia to check their Schengen borders again.

An important import route of Russian girls to Prague was running via Bp agencies and thus often with a stop-over in Hungary. That so far open land travel route will become risky because Czech Rep. doenst accept other EU Schengen visas anymore.

Whats happening for Russian travelers in EU is a shame!

[dap-addict]

Planned Russian girls import to Budapest hasn't diminished with main agencies for December.
But its unclear whether these girls can still also switch work place to Prague as before.
Legally it looks like they can't.

[dap-addict]

Now because of visa and travel problems first Russian girls consider to rather shoot porn in Medellin than Prague or Budapest! Completely crazy!
Here Kitty Doll is talking about this plan of hers for 2023: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=25243&hilit=interviews#p314583
Go to question nr. 22:

NEW5/Q22: After working for GIO you returned for other studios to Prague. But meanwhile travelling from Russia to EU got even more complicated. Can you explain your fans how difficult it is meanwhile to get to Prague?

[dap-addict]

News from EU import front from Russia:
Still quite a few Russian girl imports scheduled for early 2023 with main agencies.
Brussels can decide to boycott normal Russian citizens, but there are still ways to obtain those Schengen visas and to travel to EU for porn work.
Russian quality porn won't die!